True Detective

Ya I gotta put my money on the camera man/orphans being Birdman, Burress doesnt make sense since he doesnt have the hard drive and no reason to want state involved and works for Catalyst it seems

The orphans killed Casper as revenge for the murder of their parents. They moved the body to kickstart all the corruption investigations, the girl obviously knew about it all as she was working as Casper's secretary for a few months. Casper's associates didn't want any of it coming out and they are covering it up as fast as possible. Frank's issues are all side related, Casper and the Mayor brought in the Russians as partners and double crossed Frank. The ex-military stuff is all tangential too, the group of them stole some money in Afghanistan and started a private company in California, their only client is Catalyst (the one behind all the land deals) but they don't really give a shit about anything other than Catalyst and making sure GayCop doesn't rat them out. I have no idea why the black police chief is running the PMC, that is weird.

The brother orphan is most likely the photographer on set, he had a brief moment with the girl who we know now is the girl orphan. Birdman could be him or Buress, we will find out in the finale. The girl orphan worked for Casper so she knew all about the land stuff, she attended the orgy parties as a hooker so she knew all about the sex and politicians and photos. The orphans currently have the hard drive that everyone wants.

My theory is that Burress is working with the orphans, since his actions have been very inconsistent (helping corrupt people sometimes, seeming to hurt them others). He was one of the group that killed the jewelers in the 92 riots but maybe he felt guilty, tracked down the orphans, and came clean to them.

I think the show ends with Antigone free, Velcoro in jail but with the rapist in the yard, and Frank killed.

Burress is corrupt like all the rest, no way he is helping the Orphans and would put Paul down especially if hes trying to take down all of the corruption. As for him being at the door where Paul exited I just take it as Holloway called Burress and told him what direction Paul headed

Yeah the Chesani kids fit the picture, secretary and camera man look nothing like the kids

Homsar_sl said:

As for him being at the door where Paul exited I just take it as Holloway called Burress and told him what direction Paul headed

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Homsar_sl said:

Yeah I just chalked it up to maybe he saw him through windows or something, Gay lover said they had people all over the area didnt he and did he kill the chief or just knock him out?

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So, Burris saw gaycop exiting through a window to subway tunnels and the chief may have just been knocked out so instead of engaging just followed a shootout and then up a ladder and through twisting halls so he could call Burris on the phone to tell him where gaycop was exiting since Burris was one of the people all over the area that was waiting for gaycop to exit just in case the trained mercenaries and a police chief couldn't kill him.

I honestly envy how easy it must be for Homsar to enjoy life. Just explain everything away with an ever-changing shrug.

Was going to copy/paste everything twice, since that's just how Frank and I prefer to write lists....

Like I said Holloway didnt have a gun and could easily call burress and gave him the heads up, I dont really have an issue if thats the case. Obviously there was more people outside since burres and another were there and not everyone was inside

The episode was good, yes... but the season is far from redemption. Even if the finale ends up being the best episode they have ever made (both seasons), season 2 goes down as an epic fail.

I don't have a problem with Burress being there. They made a point to mention how well they knew the underground tunnels and how multiple people had eyes on the situation. Probably had eyes on possible exits and stuff.

The shootout makes more sense now too. Itislikely Dixon and the Mexican drug dude thought that was going to go down a different way than it did.

At this point, Dixon and the Mexican cartel are just extraneous threads that did more to shit-up the convoluted story than they did add to it.

Aside from the eye-roll-worthy dialogue, this seasons biggest failing is sequelitis of "More, Bigger, Better!". It is like Pizzalotsa is the Michael Bay of TV writers.

I dont find the story convoluted, seems like a lot of people watch the show while doing other things. A lot of people didnt even know who Holloway or Burress are and they have been in almost every episode.

Let's play.

popsicledeath_sl said:

The same way you have a gun on 4 guys about to kill your ass who all willingly just dropped their guns and instead of killing them you run away and kill them in far more contrived ways?

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It is indeed a staple of classic narration to have the guy who is trying his best to be straight (in more ways than one!) shoot unarmed people in the face...

The same way the female runaway who is actually not at all sympathetic to you 'saving' her is sent away with her sister despite being your best witness to back up your case?

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Maybe you do that after a thinly veiled death threat?

The same way you let the guy you just fucked over by ruining his entire empire continue to run your clubs and then aren't at all suspicious when an hour later he has the casino evacuated?

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Maybe because Osep was hoping he would stay to run the clubs and maybe because the suspicion materialized in the form of a goon that took a bullet in the head?

The same way everyone constantly tells their entire motive, history and plans like they're in a Bond movie or talk about the things that everyone already knows as a means of reminding the viewer of things that happened to ensure you understand?

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Yeah when they dropped 10 names of characters that had 2 minutes of screen time each if at all I really felt like they went too far with the hand holding...

How did he know gay cop was coming out that exact spot?

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Maybe because he got some radio info from the guys remaining in the underground tunnels? Maybe he himself tailed Paul in the tunnels and took another exit when it was clear where Paul might exit? We don't know and we will never know because, once again, the type of narrative focalization used will result in huge chunks of information the viewer will never get access to (which also explains while several of these chunks are made clearer through dialogue, because, by choice, they cannot be shown).

As far as the document being inadmissible in court... who cares? That really would be a problem if they were in a situation where they knew everything but needed evidence to incriminate people. They were in a situation where they had very little idea of what was going on and how people where linked with each other and these documents proved extremely precious to establish that. They will not be admissible in court, but now, at least, they know what is going on and are in a much better position to work the case and find witnesses and evidences. Well... they were before people started dropping left right and center that is!


The double list is probably just a prop blunder by a director that does not realize HD is HD and forgot people can and will press pause whenever there is a note of some sort on screen. I can hear it from here: "That list looks too damn short! Fill this page with lines so we can see something big is cooking! 5 minutes break until we get the new prop!" On a side, the shopping list make it look like a 2 men job... Seymon and Nails? Or some Bonnie and Clyde action with him and his wife?

Lastly, Vaughn was indeed better, but mostly because his lines were better and the character is no longer holding his horses so tightly. Even when, he got verbose with the diamond seller it worked well in a super passive-aggressive 'I am taking none of your hypocritical shit motherfucker' kind of way.

Szlia_sl said:

Let's play.

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What was the director trying to convey when he interspersed a completely unnecessary sex scene with a gunfight in a subway? Was he trying to exhibit the frailty and fleetingness of love, and how difficult it is for these characters to experience?

Jaybee_sl said:

What was the director trying to convey when he interspersed a completely unnecessary sex scene with a gunfight in a subway? Was he trying to exhibit the frailty and fleetingness of love, and how difficult it is for these characters to experience?

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I was waiting for them to get a call from Paul as they were getting into it and then have that disgusting feeling for the last episode of "what did we almost do?!?". But then he died. And they done did it. I think they did it because they know they're basically donezo. They're dead people now, especially without Spec Ops McButtStuff to help them when the shit gets violent.

It was Paul going against all odds to almost make it at the same time as them seemingly giving up and acknowledging they're fucked.

At least I was way wrong about Blake raping Velcoro's wife. Damn red HAIRring! Right guys?

I think it's clear when she saw the body she knew how serious the situation is. She may have pushed Frank to be legit and pushed him to not go back to the old ways but like a good spouse when the shit hits the fan she supports him.

She is a gangster's wife, she knew exactly what she signed up for.

DickTrickle_sl said:

I think it's clear when she saw the body she knew how serious the situation is. She may have pushed Frank to be legit and pushed him to not go back to the old ways but like a good spouse when the shit hits the fan she supports him.

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