True Detective

Hey how do you block people on the forums? Asking for myself, because I can't keep skipping over his shit posts like he's Azeth.

And it was very apparent they could have multiple people covering the exits because they were FUCKING SPECIAL FORCES. You don't go into a potential ambush on either side leaving your backside completely exposed. They already know Paul and Velcoro did work in the mexi-shoot out and probably put it together they owned their private security at the orgy. They probably thought Velcoro at least could possibly be with him and ready to ambush them. It would've been a great idea too, except Paul was so concerned with himself and his shit it lead to his death. All poetic like and shit.

popsicledeath_sl said:

For instance, instead of just having Lt. Burris inexplicably standing by an exit and leaving us to guess if the Captain was just knocked out and phoned him for help, you show, get this, the Captain waking up and phoning for help. Then, instead of a random threat we don't know about suddenly gunning down a main character for cheap shock value, you actually have a main character potentially walking into a known threat so you can worry about him. Too often the show settles for cheap thrills via inexplicable unexplained action instead of actually building suspense and tension by letting the threat be known.

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Didn't we establish 7816523 posts ago that they chose to tell the story strictly from the point of view of the trio of investigators? Didn't we also already establish the pros and cons of such type of narrative focalization? Showing the capitain phoning for help or whatever would both break the establish system for something totally mundane and ruin the surprise effect of having Paul run into an ambush at the very moment we thought (as he did: internal focalization) that he would be safe.

There are legitimate complains to have about the writing of this show, but the supremely classic narrative arc of that whole 'Paul goes to the secret meeting' block is unassailable. I mean what is a classic narrative arc? Hero starts from zero, has a goal, works toward goal, almost reaches goal, has a dramatic setback that brings him back to zero (or close or below zero), but he rises back and reaches the goal. Here, Paul's trajectory is the dramatic version of it: things get worse and worse, shit hits the fan, Paul narrowly escapes death and just when we think he is out of troubles, he gets ambushed and killed. Also note the topography of his trajectory: he meets his buddy outside and then he goes deeper and deeper underground (he is hiding out of bullets at the lowest and darkest point) and then climbs back to the surface and the light. This is all very elegant (even if the action was not particularly well filmed).

Xevy_sl said:

Hey how do you block people on the forums? Asking for myself, because I can't keep skipping over his shit posts like he's Azeth.

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Click on their profile, main page, third option down on the right side under their avatar.

Xevy_sl said:

Hey how do you block people on the forums? Asking for myself, because I can't keep skipping over his shit posts like he's Azeth.

And it was very apparent they could have multiple people covering the exits because they were FUCKING SPECIAL FORCES. You don't go into a potential ambush on either side leaving your backside completely exposed. They already know Paul and Velcoro did work in the mexi-shoot out and probably put it together they owned their private security at the orgy. They probably thought Velcoro at least could possibly be with him and ready to ambush them. It would've been a great idea too, except Paul was so concerned with himself and his shit it lead to his death. All poetic like and shit.

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are these the same elite team who ran security at the orgy house and were unable to chase a car getting away on the only road away from it because ray shut the headlights off?

Jozu_sl said:

VV was awesome in the scene where he kills Blake. When he said "and now youve shit my carpet" and made that face...was pretty fucking priceless.

Also, lol at my Black police chief being the killer prediction. Prolly not correct but pretty close haha.

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Huh? It seems pretty clear that's pretty far from correct. There's good reason to think the orphans are involved in Caspere's death and Blake said no one knew who did it. He could be lying but I think most of the other evidence would indicate he is not. So in that scenario the chief didn't do it nor was he involved with the people who did.

All they really had to show for the Paul death scene to not have it feel silly was for Burris to get him as Paul was going back to his car. It's a lot more believable leap to think they would know that at that point then the exact exit he chose. It's not ultimately a big deal but it's just one of those little things that is hard to accept given the way the entire season has played out. A similar silly thing in the second to last episode last season probably would have gotten a pass because of the narrative cohesiveness that season displayed.

Szlia_sl said:

Didn't we establish 7816523 posts ago that they chose to tell the story strictly from the point of view of the trio of investigators?

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I must have missed all those times Velcro was standing behind the bed as Frank and his wife talked about organic farming and water stains.

I think our actual arc is Hero starts from brooding, has a goal to not be gay, works away from goal in painfully cliche and closeted way, nobody on Earth would be surprised if he turned out to be gay so there really are no stakes, he has a melodramatic setback that brings him nowhere since he's just as pointlessly brooding and closeted as ever, or worse because in the midst of a secret underground meeting in secret tunnels where he's been lured to his presumed danger they take the time to inform him none of this would have happened if he'd just admitted to being gay, and they're right, meaning his arc was really just the selfish trajectory of a limp dick pointed toward the floor the whole time.

I'm all for some Joe Campbell hero's journey, and maybe that's what Nic was going for, but I don't think very well and arguing some hero's journey shit is pretty weak. Better to argue man vs self introspection and make the tunnels a metaphor for his closeted homosexuality and his being shot from behind as he squirmed for the power of his own gun a metaphor for being a perpetual bottom.

But shrug. I'll always generally be wary of any arc where hero falls and rises back up only to be shot in the back by someone you didn't even know was an enemy and you then have to argue the plausibility of them even being in the scene.

Yeah the trio of investigators and Seymon wuwu. And if you want to split hairs, there is a number of flavor shots (aerial shots of the city, etc) that are not focalized and there are several shots of the dead Casper with Birdman that breaks the system, but it does it to set the story in motion so it's ok.

Szlia_sl said:

Yeah the trio of investigators and Seymon wuwu. And if you want to split hairs, there is a number of flavor shots (aerial shots of the city, etc) that are not focalized and there are several shots of the dead Casper with Birdman that breaks the system, but it does it to set the story in motion so it's ok.

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4 PoVs. VV , the three stooges and the killer.

To be pedantic, there was a scene last episode of Paul's mother and fiance in the room alone. Ghost of Paul POV, clearly.

Man, this thread has too many words in it. Brevity, people.

So someone called it somewhere, but I guess photography boy is the second kid from the diamond heist and who killed Caspere along with Laura possibly?

DickTrickle_sl said:

To be pedantic, there was a scene last episode of Paul's mother and fiance in the room alone. Ghost of Paul POV, clearly.

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there was also somebody eying gaycop while he was looking stuff up in the bureau computer . i assumed it was the killer. i chalk up the scene with gaycop's mom and gf as foreshadowing pov!

Maester Chuk_sl said:

there was also somebody eying gaycop while he was looking stuff up in the bureau computer . i assumed it was the killer. i chalk up the scene with gaycop's mom and gf as foreshadowing pov!

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I thought that was Burris. Looked like him from behind (as much as you can gauge identity from behind).

Must be the first time ever a dude got capped by a guy watching an exit.

Maester Chuk_sl said:

are these the same elite team who ran security at the orgy house and were unable to chase a car getting away on the only road away from it because ray shut the headlights off?

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I actually think they were 2 different companies but it doesnt really matter, Do you think special forces dont get complacent especially on some hooker party? I guess they could have shown some BS wwith every minor detail I dont give a shit about, I got what I needed story wise. Ani saw that everyone is corrupt Holloway, Tony, Catalyst, Osip, Blake ect.


Maybe I like that its now actually focusing on the story instead of stupid shots explaining every thing to cut budget.

DickTrickle_sl said:

I thought that was Burris. Looked like him from behind (as much as you can gauge identity from behind).

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My impression as well.

Why would it be Burris? I assumed it was birdman or something. Burris doesnt make sense

Homsar_sl said:

I actually think they were 2 different companies but it doesnt really matter, Do you think special forces dont get complacent especially on some hooker party? I guess they could have shown some BS wwith every minor detail I dont give a shit about, I got what I needed story wise. Ani saw that everyone is corrupt Holloway, Tony, Catalyst, Osip, Blake ect.


Maybe I like that its now actually focusing on the story instead of stupid shots explaining every thing to cut budget.

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a hooker party with high ranking politicians and wealthy, powerful men? nah man, nobody would ever get complacent when such high profile people are involved. imagine if the press got wind of such an event. security has to be insane. but it wasnt because the story demanded a heist in order to tie the season up in a quick little bow after jerking off for 5 weeks. same reason why they turned Burriss into a ninja at the end of this week.

Homsar_sl said:

Why would it be Burris? I assumed it was birdman or something. Burris doesnt make sense

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It was at a police station. Why wouldn't a cop make sense, especially given the current situation of the show?

However, the reality is that it was probably just a pretty pointless addition to the scene to make it seem more ominous. Maaaybe it was to show that the police knew Paul knew too much so that's why they wanted to try and control him with the photos.