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Chukzombi
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except burris didnt know gaycop would punk all his goon squad and need to be watching that exit and he had no way of knowing that ray was going to skip town and would decide at that moment to check on his son at school. even if he did figure those things, the possibility that gaycop would head to that particular exit or that ray would be driving his car and on that street and somehow only want to tail him instead of grabbing him right then and there or maybe kidnapping ray's son and using him to trade for info is beyond the pale. yeah its one minor nitpick to some, but those things are lynchpins that sealed 2 out of the 4's fate.
im not even gonna bother deducing how VV was set up when they had no clue where to find him. nobody mentions the explanation for dumping casper's body at the rest station "i dunno". classic. or why the car was torched at that film crew's dude house. definitely no point in bringing up the non explanation of why the psycho brother changed his lethal shotgun rounds with nerf shells on ray. people who theorized that it was a cop or a friend of ray, must be feeling quite stupid about now. hah! what am i saying, they will still defend this show to the last, no matter what.
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God I hated this ending. I am cool with unorthodox endings (like No Country for Old Men) but only when the characters are compelling. Did VV seriously get killed because the Mexicans couldn't peddle their shit in his clubs that burned down. And $1M didn't buy them off? And how does Buress, who wasn't even a complete shit sucking character because he was hardly a character at all. He existed solely to pursue his own ambition, and no complexity at all. How will he explain away all of these dead security contractors? How did they explain how Woodrough was shot to death in some random subway? Musta been those gangbangers, right? Those missing land documents and everything, killing him completely fucked Buress and everyone associated with it.
I suppose I kind of get that there wanted a "song remains the same, same as it ever was" kind of thing. But the whole vehicle of investigation was completely pointless. Oh wow, cops uncover shady business dealings, fucking shocker that those go on. Gangbangers gonna gangbang and corrupt politicians going to do their shit.
Season one's esoteric theme was significantly more interesting because you cannot relate to it, you cannot relate to powerful people doing batshit things for 100% no reason. We can understand gangsters and businessmen fucking eachother over for money. The cliffhanger of later justice by telling her story is just a kick in the teeth for actual resolution of the plot.
Worth the watch, and I am sure the general lack of coherence was intentional in some fashion. But I didn't get the impact of it that they were trying to go for.
I suppose I kind of get that there wanted a "song remains the same, same as it ever was" kind of thing. But the whole vehicle of investigation was completely pointless. Oh wow, cops uncover shady business dealings, fucking shocker that those go on. Gangbangers gonna gangbang and corrupt politicians going to do their shit.
Season one's esoteric theme was significantly more interesting because you cannot relate to it, you cannot relate to powerful people doing batshit things for 100% no reason. We can understand gangsters and businessmen fucking eachother over for money. The cliffhanger of later justice by telling her story is just a kick in the teeth for actual resolution of the plot.
Worth the watch, and I am sure the general lack of coherence was intentional in some fashion. But I didn't get the impact of it that they were trying to go for.
StoiCynic
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Do we even know when the GPS was placed on the car? The only reason he noticed it at the school was because he parked in a puddle and saw the blinking lights reflection.
The season was mediocre. Couple cool characters, couple cool scenes. It was worth the watch. Some of you guys have no grey area, it's odd.
The season was mediocre. Couple cool characters, couple cool scenes. It was worth the watch. Some of you guys have no grey area, it's odd.
Royal
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Yeah. As soon as he put away the picture of his kid and took the exit I said out loud "Ray you just fucked up".
Kreugen
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Yep. "Well dammit, he's dead"
I'm one of those saps that easily gets emotionally attached to bullshit like tv characters but I wrote him off the moment he looked at that picture. I gave VV better odds of crossing that salt flat with a gushing gut wound from a goddamn crocodile dundee knife.
I'm one of those saps that easily gets emotionally attached to bullshit like tv characters but I wrote him off the moment he looked at that picture. I gave VV better odds of crossing that salt flat with a gushing gut wound from a goddamn crocodile dundee knife.
Merrith
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I'm guessing they were a little pissed when he attacked the guy who wanted his suit too. Maybe he lives if not for that?
Why do you need to explain away a couple of bodies in the remote woods? When you have an expendable private army/security force, one of the benefits is that they are expendable, no? How did they explain away Woodrough? They pinned it on Velcoro. Thus, once they figured out Velcoro was on to them and wasn't going to lead them to Anni or the documents, killing him doesn't fuck them at all, he's just a loose end to tie up. He's already discredited and has a murder pinned on him.
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Dead bodies in the woods are easy to explain. A Catalyst executive was murdered the night before by Velcoro so the police dept together with Catalyst security tracked the murderer and killed him in the ensuing shoot out which also claimed lives of heroes protecting the public from a murdering rogue cop.
It seems some of you have a really hard time keeping up with anything more complex than Ernest Scared Stupid.
It seems some of you have a really hard time keeping up with anything more complex than Ernest Scared Stupid.
Merrith
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It's not about "knowing" he would punk the goon squad, it's just called being simple backup. Again you see him backing up the chief when he's meeting with film photographer kid as well. Where's the mystery? I don't get why it's crazy for him to catch Woodrough at the exit and cap him either. Too many people focused on "But it's too coincidental to make sense in the story there were probably 50 million exits how did he pick the right one"...when ignoring the simple fact that it is the story. The story is that he was backup and watching that exit, Woodrough comes out and he caps him. That's it. No mystery.
Again, acting like there are 50 different streets approaching his kid's school is stupid. He didn't "know" Ray was coming on that street at that time, they're doing basic cop shit keeping an eye on a place he's most likely to show up at. The whole meaning behind that was Ray gets some closure with his son but fucked himself in the process by not just continuing on with the plan to run. That's why they show his struggle when in the car and coming up to that exit.
They don't "somehow only want to tail him" instead of grabbing him right there, they were hoping they could use him to lead them to the documents and/or Anni. Kidnapping the son is a completely stupid suggestion, their whole position of power is the public doesn't know about their corruption and control. In that reality, Velcoro is the most wanted man in the state with a manhunt out for him because of the murder of Woodrough, and they're just trying to bring him to justice. You kidnap the kid, you've blown that whole illusion.
Chukzombi
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its cool, man, if you want to keep believing that burriss could pick the right exit out of x number of exits on the off chance that unarmed gaycop might kill the half dozen armed ex soldiers or that he knew ray was going to skip town that day and then detour to salute his son at school before even ray knew he was going to do that, then thats fine with me. season is over and im already bored with the whole thing. maybe if pops comes in with his review i will post about this again. good luck.
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For those of you saying it was 'convoluted' or 'pointless' or 'difficult to follow', all you had to do was keep up with each episodes 80 page reddit plot details and it would all make sense.
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Merrith
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This about sums up our disagreement on these two things.
Plenty of other shit I'm sure I'd agree with you/Pops/anyone else who disliked the season on.
Merrith
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Szlia
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It does not even have to play that way. My version is that Burris goes to the meeting with Holloway, stays back (like in the station scene later) and folds back when things go south, letting the mercs do the dirty work. He then uses his knowledge of the underground tunnels to beat Woodrugh to the exit he is most likely to take.
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