I made 2 posts and got 12 replies. 10 of those replies are useless noise.
Thank you
@Sabbat and
Dalven
for presenting actual content instead of just verbal diarrhea.
Y'all are the ones doing a good job of changing my mind here and that's not sarcasm. I'm grateful for your input.
This is COMPLEX. The mere fact that professionals in these papers are stating that there are still issues that need to be looked at and more research needs to be done is indicative of said complexity.
@Sabbat Detransitioning people aren't real trannies LoL. You understand that, right? Literally just posted the most prominent one (Walt Heyer) and his actual diagnosis was DID, not Gender Dysphoria. ROGD is evidenced that there are many fakes out there. (more on that later tho)
Dalven
You say quote: "You are fundamentally failing to understand the point everyone is making with regards to this" and I'm telling you that's simply not true. I understand quite well what your stance is. The issue you're wrong about is that you're leaving out key pieces of the puzzle here.
Put it this way. IF what you posted were
ALL that the paper contained, you'd be correct. But that's not the entire picture. You are (as I have already stated
here and you did it again) leaving out the startling fact that 0 ZERO cases of regret have been shown with the first 70 trannies to receive puberty blockers. Had this info NOT been present, I'd already be saying, "you know, you're correct" but I cannot ignore THIS:
In their longitudinal study on the first 70 adolescents to receive puberty blockers, de Vries and colleagues reported an improvement in general functioning after two years, along with a decrease in depression and behavioural and emotional difficulties. Fifty-five of these 70 individuals were assessed later in early adulthood, after cross-sex hormones had been administered and gender reassignment surgery had been performed. Depressive symptoms had decreased, general mental health functioning had improved and no regret about transitioning was found. Many (about 70 per cent) reported that their social transition had been ‘easy’. Cohen-Kettenis and colleagues, in a 22-year follow-up of the first described adolescent treated with GnRH analogues and cross-sex hormones, reported overall improved psychological well-being and no clinical signs of adverse effects on the brain. An improvement in global functioning following puberty suppression was also found in the UK study of Costa and colleagues in their follow-up of adolescents at the GIDS centre in London.
Consistent with the Dutch and British studies was Spack and colleagues’ report about their sample of 97 patients at a clinic in Boston, MA, in which no adolescents showed regrets regarding puberty blocking or subsequent cross-sex hormone use.
...because THAT tells me that they are doing their jobs well in finding the 20 in the 100 (statistically) and letting the other 80 go through puberty and become gays and lesbians, not trannies. You keep saying "harm the kids, harm the kids" and I'm not seeing any harmed kids? Are you?
Here again, and don't sweep this under the rug; what does that tell YOU that their track record with the adolescents is 100% ?
Detransitioners tend to be a lot of non-binary people; there's a reason for that. It's why the left hated the study about ROGD from Brown's Uni. This shit is politicized big time.
"In Dr. Zucker’s view, it sparked a fear that the field of gender dysphoria – where he says there remains many urgent and unanswered clinical and theoretical questions – has been “poisoned by politics.” From
this article.
Like I said, I appreciate you two. While I haven't fully changed my mind
just yet you guys are doing the best job at convincing me to reflect on ALL of this.
Oh lastly:
You go off the rails in stating that 100 kids have cancer. 20 kids have cancer. 80 kids have cancer-
like symptoms.
Cancer is persistent.
Gender Dysphoria is persistent.
Gender
incongruence and behaviors are what is the 80%. <---- THIS is where it gets muddy and where YOU guys don't seem to understand the distinction.
