No, there are some who are genuinely suffering from a mental disorder. The ones that truly believe they are women are delusional. There are plenty of therapies for that, but pandering to the delusion is never one of them.
Thank you! I thought someone else would've pitched in and told me the story but it's always nice in this world hearing stuff from the source itself in their own words. If you rely on others for what someone's position is, it can get grossly distorted after just one generation heh (hiya Phazael!).
...but here we are. Takes a good person to admit they're wrong; kudos. I think SJW shit is real, just not as pervasive and problematic as people like Lithose paint it. Radicals on both sides have ruined, exaggerated and smeared the nature of more centrist-minded people. So the left thinks white supremacists are more serious than they really are and the right thinks SJWs are more serious than they really are.
No, as a non-parent I have never perused the Parent Thread you're right. FWIW from me, too, I'm sorry that you're dealing with that, and can't imagine the tribulations of raising a perfectly healthy (both physically and mentally) child much less the added stress and care a child with special needs (again, be it physically or mentally) requires. You have my respect.
I hear you loud and clear, and am really glad you're in this thread right now... even if just for 1 post or 2, because you can (I believe) pitch in a stance that seems a bit more unbiased than most even if we don't and never will agree. (i.e. Not every disagreement with me in here is someone being a hateful bigot, but every hateful bigot in here is someone having a disagreement with me. Huge distinction to be addressed when people think I'm trying to play some imagined "victimhood narrative". It's just a bloated strawman that they use). Here's two points to be addressed (imho) in your post:
I never said that, but I don't believe I ever denied it either. A few papers stated this and I took everything in the papers as factual. The good the bad and the ugly. While there are things that look good as far as offering guidelines to how to assess Gender Dysphoria, I would say that the highest standard for assessing Gender Dysphoria is the DSM-5. It actually gives MORE hard-lined criteria to diagnosing GD in children (vs. adolescents and adults). As a rational tranny, it's a beautiful read... it captures what GD is very well. The more I hear about Ken Zucker's work, the more of a fan I'm becoming.
I agree 100% Chaos. The WPATH Standards Of Care is basically the "transsexual bible" in regards to what is used for diagnosis, treatment etc.
You're making a case then that the younger child is not really trans... just doing a form of imitation. I.E. you're exacerbating the narrative imo, and those are the exact kids that people like me and others on this forum are worried would fall into dangerous waters as did happen to this poor activist:
I'm not 100% agreeing with your post with that [Like] that I gave you btw, because I believe the treatment methods you and I think are helpful differ. I liked it because I'm in agrement that there are some people who are genuinely suffering from a mental disorder and that the ones that truly believe they are women are (strictly scientifically/definition-wise speaking) delusional.
In before someone points out the contradiction between this and Walt Heyer btw...
And here is why you are such a worthless piece of garbage. Having opinions on things you do not know and do not understand is the domain of morons. But having an opinion on something while knowing that you dont know it and dont understand is much worse than just being a moron.
Vanessa
we'll officially accredit you as a transcientology member, you get to post on our forums and won't get banned, 50$, you know you are in, its your last out
This shit is like telling 3 year olds "well if you were born to be a drug addict, we aren't going to deny you your future".
I need to invent some kind of mental illness so I can make a living deciding who suffers from it and treating them. Transcientology inc.
Sabbat
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Dalven
for presenting actual content instead of just verbal diarrhea.
Sabbat
Detransitioning people aren't real trannies LoL. You understand that, right? Literally just posted the most prominent one (Walt Heyer) and his actual diagnosis was DID, not Gender Dysphoria. ROGD is evidenced that there are many fakes out there. (more on that later tho)
Dalven
You say quote: "You are fundamentally failing to understand the point everyone is making with regards to this" and I'm telling you that's simply not true. I understand quite well what your stance is. The issue you're wrong about is that you're leaving out key pieces of the puzzle here.You go off the rails in stating that 100 kids have cancer. 20 kids have cancer. 80 kids have cancer-like symptoms.
I made 2 posts and got 12 replies. 10 of those replies are useless noise.
Thank you
Y'all are the ones doing a good job of changing my mind here and that's not sarcasm. I'm grateful for your input.
This is COMPLEX. The mere fact that professionals in these papers are stating that there are still issues that need to be looked at and more research needs to be done is indicative of said complexity.
Put it this way. IF what you posted were ALL that the paper contained, you'd be correct. But that's not the entire picture. You are (as I have already stated here and you did it again) leaving out the startling fact that 0 ZERO cases of regret have been shown with the first 70 trannies to receive puberty blockers. Had this info NOT been present, I'd already be saying, "you know, you're correct" but I cannot ignore THIS:
In their longitudinal study on the first 70 adolescents to receive puberty blockers, de Vries and colleagues reported an improvement in general functioning after two years, along with a decrease in depression and behavioural and emotional difficulties. Fifty-five of these 70 individuals were assessed later in early adulthood, after cross-sex hormones had been administered and gender reassignment surgery had been performed. Depressive symptoms had decreased, general mental health functioning had improved and no regret about transitioning was found. Many (about 70 per cent) reported that their social transition had been ‘easy’. Cohen-Kettenis and colleagues, in a 22-year follow-up of the first described adolescent treated with GnRH analogues and cross-sex hormones, reported overall improved psychological well-being and no clinical signs of adverse effects on the brain. An improvement in global functioning following puberty suppression was also found in the UK study of Costa and colleagues in their follow-up of adolescents at the GIDS centre in London.
Consistent with the Dutch and British studies was Spack and colleagues’ report about their sample of 97 patients at a clinic in Boston, MA, in which no adolescents showed regrets regarding puberty blocking or subsequent cross-sex hormone use.
...because THAT tells me that they are doing their jobs well in finding the 20 in the 100 (statistically) and letting the other 80 go through puberty and become gays and lesbians, not trannies. You keep saying "harm the kids, harm the kids" and I'm not seeing any harmed kids? Are you?
Here again, and don't sweep this under the rug; what does that tell YOU that their track record with the adolescents is 100% ?
Detransitioners tend to be a lot of non-binary people; there's a reason for that. It's why the left hated the study about ROGD from Brown's Uni. This shit is politicized big time.
"In Dr. Zucker’s view, it sparked a fear that the field of gender dysphoria – where he says there remains many urgent and unanswered clinical and theoretical questions – has been “poisoned by politics.” From this article.
Like I said, I appreciate you two. While I haven't fully changed my mind just yet you guys are doing the best job at convincing me to reflect on ALL of this.
Oh lastly:
You go off the rails in stating that 100 kids have cancer. 20 kids have cancer. 80 kids have cancer-like symptoms.
Cancer is persistent.
Gender Dysphoria is persistent.
Gender incongruence and behaviors are what is the 80%. <---- THIS is where it gets muddy and where YOU guys don't seem to understand the distinction.
