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No, not so much. Most of those are fairly common behaviors to see from kids. My kid cried one time because she couldn't be brown like her friend at school. Saying "i feel like a girl" can mean a million things, or nothing, depending on context. And then there's age to take into account. That adds to context as well as the ability of the child to even express complex ideas like gender. Some of those things are complete social constructs, like the color pink being feminine, or just so vague as to be meaningless, like "gravitating towards femme objects and ideas vs traditionally boyish objects and ideas." If this is the assessment process for diagnosing children with gender issues and later drugging them to stop their puberty, I think I'm even more shocked than I was.
 
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chaos said:
No, not so much. Most of those are fairly common behaviors to see from kids.
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Okay well there's where we kinda hit a dead-end with our discussion then unfortunately if we can't agree on the definition of "gender incongruent behavior" because I don't think a little boy calling themselves a girl, wanting nails like mommy, wanting to play with dolls like Barbies instead of G.I. Joes, or wanting to chum with the girls while they braid their hair during recess instead of the boys on the jungle gym is normal and/or congruent to their gender.

Let's try this approach: How would YOU, Chaos, then define "gender incongruent behavior" ?

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And then there's age to take into account. That adds to context as well as the ability of the child to even express complex ideas like gender.
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I agree 100%. Age matters a fuck-ton and why this topic is extremely important.

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Some of those things are complete social constructs, like the color pink being feminine, or just so vague as to be meaningless, like "gravitating towards femme objects and ideas vs traditionally boyish objects and ideas."
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Yes, which is why the twin studies prove that it isn't JUST biology that plays a role in transsexualism but societal influences too.

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If this is the assessment process for diagnosing children with gender issues and later drugging them to stop their puberty, I think I'm even more shocked than I was.
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I never said that this was the assessment process did I? I said that we were defining "gender incongruent behavior", did I not? This is exactly why I'm taking it slow Chaos.

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very condition you advocate forestalling:
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...and there it is. This is EXACTLY the problem. You confirmed my suspicions of what happens when the relatively unbiased poster stumbles in my thread: You believed the propaganda put forth by my hatertots! You believed what the SJW mob says that I say because they are louder and in more numbers than what I myself actually say.

I don't advocate for anything. I simply deal in facts. Nothing more and nothing less, and the info you posted is what we were discussing literally 120 pages ago, and in which I have already posted as fact and agreed with. Good link btw; concise and to the point info on it, thanks for it, I saved it in my bookmarks :)
 
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So my second youngest son had three older sisters. When he was young, like 5, he wanted long hair. He wanted pretty nails. He played with a doll and had a favourite stroller to put his doll in. He loved mermaids. He displayed every one of the "symptoms" you described above. When he started going to school and had male friends this lessened to some degree. However, he still makes friends more easily with girls, and he still does things like help his sisters braid their hair before bed. He is very in touch with this side of himself. When he was young he totally identified as a girl because that was his world. He was at home with his mom and three sisters most of the time.

Now, he's 15 and is quite into chicks. He is clearly male, not because that's what I want him to be, but that's what has surfaced from his situation.

My worry with defining "gender incongruent behavior" at a young age is that there are so many contextual things that define gender for children. It makes me very uncomfortable to allow children to direct this sort of thing.

But that's no answer. I don't think there is a good answer. Are there kids with "gender incongruent behavior" that would benefit from the hormone blockers we're talking about? Without a doubt there are. Figuring out which ones they are is the sticky part.
 
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Vanessa said:
Let's try this approach: How would YOU, Chaos, then define "gender incongruent behavior" ?
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I wouldn't. That phrase doesn't mean anything. Instead of using the word "normal" which you earlier conflated with "normalized" which has a different connotation, maybe it's better to use the word "typical". You have established a set of what you consider to be "typical" gender behavior. What do you base that on? Science? Anecdote? Feelings? This is a child's life, if you're the parent it is YOUR child's life, so don't fuck up.

Children express huge ranges of behavior, changing throughout their childhood. When I think about a parent who would take their kid to a psychologist because the kid didn't map to some arbitrary, pulled right out of the ass, amateur supposition of what they should look like, it kind of scares me for the kid.

I'd rather just move past this, because it really seems like you have something to say and you're spinning your wheels. The part where this all becomes a problem is when we get to the "diagnosis" phase and start talking about treatment, on a purely subjective "diagnosis" that can have long ranging impacts on a child's future.
 
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Billions of years of evolution has produced hormone level changes in countless species, which is known as puberty in humans. Countless generations of children have developed into normal adults. One tranny who shoved silicone balloons under his pecs and permanently mutilated his body and he is now the arbiter of truth and understand of how children should medically be treated based on their behavior at a young age.

Honk honk motherfuckers.
 
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Vanessa said:
Statements such as:
"I feel like a girl" (our hypothetical kid being a biological boy)
"I like these dresses"
"I want my hair long"
"I want my nails pretty like mommy's"

Or behaviors like:
-mingling with girls in social circles
-having a predilection with the color pink instead of blue
-playing with dolls instead of action figures
-gravitating toward femme objects and ideas vs. traditionally boyish objects and ideas.

Can we agree that what I laid out can be considered "gender incongruent behavior" ?
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I really hope noone ever lets you near their children.

With every post you make it more obvious you are a potential menace.
 
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Vanessa said:
Okay well sorta like a Louder With Crowder segment I just want to stop so we can find common ground for that definition so that further along we don't get sidetracked by semantics on that definition.

I'd postulate that "gender incongruent behavior" from a child is indeed a large umbrella, but essentially encapsulates this:

Statements such as:
"I feel like a girl" (our hypothetical kid being a biological boy)
"I like these dresses"
"I want my hair long"
"I want my nails pretty like mommy's"

Or behaviors like:
-mingling with girls in social circles
-having a predilection with the color pink instead of blue
-playing with dolls instead of action figures
-gravitating toward femme objects and ideas vs. traditionally boyish objects and ideas.

Can we agree that what I laid out can be considered "gender incongruent behavior" ?
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Absolutely not you fucking dipshit. Never in your lifetime should you be allowed near children.
 
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Forgot to FTFY earlier :)
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Vanessa said:
...and there it is. This is EXACTLY the problem. You confirmed my suspicions of what happens when the relatively unbiased poster stumbles in my thread: You believed the propaganda put forth by my hatertots! You believed what the SJW mob says that I say because they are louder and in more numbers than what I myself actually say.
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As usual, anyone disagreeing is a "hatertot" (fuck that word you imbecile), SJW, or someone that blindly follows the hatertot SJWs.

Not a chance in the world Vanessa Vanessa is wrong.
 
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As usual, anyone disagreeing is a "hatertot" (fuck that word you imbecile), SJW, or someone that blindly follows the hatertot SJWs.

Not a chance in the world Vanessa Vanessa is wrong.
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Oh the funniest part is his attempt to kung fu SJW into an insult against us, when he's the clear SJW here. What do SJW's do? They sure don't try to stop kids from being put on hormones and puberty blockers by their parents.

I mean really just full fucking retard from the man with a pair of fake tits slapped on. Vanessa Vanessa are you even on HRT? Because I don't think you are.

You're just a confused gay man with a mutilated body. Grow the fuck up.
 
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He's not even gay. He is just playing the cuttlefish angle. For those who asked earlier, weaker cuttlefish males pretend to be women to be ignored by the stronger alpha males so that they can sneak in and fuck their other females right under their noses (sometimes literally). They do this by mimicking the behaviors and color patterns of the females. He is doing the same shit, as far as his sex life is concerned: Nail on some fake funbags and lure in a batshit lesbo for some dicking by pushing the lie that he is "really just one of the girls tee hee", probably because he is literally too batshit to bang anyone else sane. I mean can anyone in the world say Christian Tranny Lesbian with a serious face? (almost said straight there but, yeah LOL)

Cuttlefish: The Manessa of the Deep
 
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I mean can anyone in the world say Christian Tranny Lesbian with a serious face?
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Nope. No one can. And any person who did hold such contrary beliefs about themselves and their place in the world would clearly be defined as delusional at minimum.

Its like being a phd holding physicist and saying you believe in a Young Earth Creation model of the universe.
 
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Yeah it ranks below Jewish Holocaust Denier on my list of labels I am skeptical about.
 
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Vanessa said:
...and there it is. This is EXACTLY the problem. You confirmed my suspicions of what happens when the relatively unbiased poster stumbles in my thread: You believed the propaganda put forth by my hatertots! You believed what the SJW mob says that I say because they are louder and in more numbers than what I myself actually say.

I don't advocate for anything. I simply deal in facts. Nothing more and nothing less, and the info you posted is what we were discussing literally 120 pages ago, and in which I have already posted as fact and agreed with. Good link btw; concise and to the point info on it, thanks for it, I saved it in my bookmarks :)
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Gosh, I'm sorry, Vanessa, I had thought you were advocating for puberty blockers, but it seems you're just insisting that people should consult medical professionals who specialize in gender issues for guidance? I think at face value under most conditions that approach makes a lot of sense, but I also think it is vitally important to look at the research onself, especially with an issue as politicized as transgenderism. And as that study i linked indicates (along with others), a lot of perceived gender dysphoria resolves following puberty.

Intentional or not, your argument is a clever way of getting people to indirectly adopt the position of "gender is a social construct." I think it makes more sense to consider prepubescent children as somewhat genderless though with regard to expected behavior. Certainly they've undergone a level of differentiation in vitro, giving them natural inclinations toward things or people for example. However, they are not subject to the wild hormonal disparities of adult males and females and associated tendencies.

I also don't want to discount the idea that some of what we consider as manly or ladylike is learned behavior. Some of it very much is, but the idea that a majority of it is or that all associated tendencies should be observable in children who aren't completely developed is a little silly.
 
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