Waco pt2? Standoff in Nevada over cattle on BLM land

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frqkjt_sl

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1)you are one condescending piece of shit.

2)a regular police force with riot gear ferried over from Las Vegas could have easily dealt with unarmed militia, and they would have.
1)I tell someone exactly the form a logical refutation of my argument takes, and he repeats back to me an assumption of the exact point of contention as an attempt at refutation, and this happens several times (and also attributes to me the opposite of what I said). I'm sorry, but this does tend to resemble a Monty Python skit, and those are funny. So, deal with it.

2) Of course they could. I never claimed otherwise. My claim was that in order to deal with even unarmed militia, police would have to use politically untenable methods, if the militia are willing to put their lives and health on the line. Thus, in fact, police would NOT have dealt with them, even unarmed.

You've, once again, responded by restating your position back to me, not comprehending that restating your position does not counter my objection to it.

Let's say riot police use tear gas, and charge in behind with batons. It's a huge desert (not a constricted urban area), so protestors just exit the area with gas, and reform their line.

Can police still beat all of the protestors down with batons? Sure - but it's going to be very ugly with political backlash (unlike the urban case where they don't have to beat down so much, because gas incapacitates). So, I argue, they would not. Methods of non-lethal force to control the militia protest in this context break down. Therefore, protest by militia with or without guns has the same effect.

**Note: I say again - I haven't proven anything, and it is possible for a reasonable person to disagree with me. But, that is not what we're seeing here. I'm making statements open to logical interpretation, and the responses are the equivalent of monkeys flinging shit, not logical co.unter points.
 

Tuco

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Based on the number of large posts between frqkjt and quinloe I declare both of you wrong. Please move on.
 

BrutulTM

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someone from nevada on p99 forums said having all the foilage eaten greatly reduces the risk of a globally televised wildfire, so it's actually beneficial.
Having cattle grazing on prairie land is absolutely beneficial, but not because of wildfires. The prairies evolved with bison walking and grazing on them and having herds of large hoofed mammals walking around on the ground is good for both the soil and the plant life. There have been lots of experiments where cattle were kept out of an area and the result is usually desertification.

Of course there is a significant group that wants all the cattle removed and replaced with wild bison because it would help balance their chi while they're having their drum circle in Golden Gate Park to know that no one was making money out on the prairie but as far as the land goes it can't tell the difference.

That said, BLM land does need people to administrate it and monitor to make sure that it's not being abused. The rates are considerably cheaper than leasing private land and I have zero problems with paying it. My only beef with the BLM is the usual bureaucratic nonsense that all government agencies get into because of people trying to justify their jobs and tell people what to do.

If you are interested in the desertification thing this TED talk is a good watch.

 

Kreugen

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Seems like legally he's in the wrong here, but does it make sense to charge people to graze on public land? Is the federal government losing anything but letting the guy graze on federal land?
Reagan established the grazing fee to help fund the agencies that have been around in various forms since 1938 whose job it is to maintain public land / ensure that public land isn't being misused. He paid these fees up until the BLM reduced the number of licenses he was allowed to hold because of some stupid turtles. Rather than trying to fight the restriction in some reasonable way, he just quit paying and continued grazing as much as he wanted wherever he wanted.

I just think it is funny that this guy doesn't recognize the federal government, when Nevada didn't even become it's own state until the end of the civil war. His logic is.. very creative.
 

Lejina

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What I found amusing is despite not recognizing the federal government, part of his demands is to have the federal employees surrender their weapons under the american flag. Not the flag of Nevada, no no, the federal flag.
 

Kreugen

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How far down the rabbit hole do you want to go? He's done a bunch of interviews this week. They are the reason why respected media is running away in terror of the whole story. His interview with Glen Beck didn't exactly go as he planned.
 

Quineloe

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How far down the rabbit hole do you want to go? He's done a bunch of interviews this week. They are the reason why respected media is running away in terror of the whole story. His interview with Glen Beck didn't exactly go as he planned.
You need to define "respected media" here.
 

Big Phoenix

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FFS yes. It all used to be one Dakota until the civil war, then they split the state down allegiance and named it as such.
 

DiddleySquat

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For reference: North Carolina is about the size of Germany, flipped 90 degrees.
According to Wikipedia, North Carolina is 139,390 km? large and Germany 357,168 km?.
Did you confuse square miles and km?? (Germany is 137,847 sq mi large)
Or did you actually mean Little Germany?
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iannis

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Maybe it was west germany, tbh.

I learned that in gradeschool. Back then, it would have been west.
 

Tuco

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Haha I thought that comparison was fucked but I didn't want to look it up.

Get wrekt iannis!
 

iannis

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Technically I do know everything. It's just hard to remember it all at once.

And when you know "everything" you also know an awful lot of lies.