War with Syria

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Urlithani

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Assad would gas his own people just as much as the rebels would if not more, and he's the one who already has the stuff.
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He's been in power since 2000. He hasn't gassed anyone except the accusations that have recently been leveled against him by the US. His government has been winning the war and beating back the rebels, so why would he resort to gassing when he doesn't have to do so to win? As Strife mentioned, the majority of the most prominent rebel groups are not even Syrian. In fact, a good number of even native Sunnis support the Assad regime over the radical Sunnis from other countries; even they can't get on board with the radicals from their own religious sect.

The rebels cannot win without outside intervention. Too many of the rebels aren't even Syrian. Some of the rebels are Al-Qaida. If they have to gas 1400 of their own people to get outside help...that is a very small price for radical islamists to pay to secure international help. As the radicals say when innocents are killed, "Allah will know his own."
 
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Urlithani_sl said:
He's been in power since 2000. He hasn't gassed anyone except the accusations that have recently been leveled against him by the US. His government has been winning the war and beating back the rebels, so why would he resort to gassing when he doesn't have to do so to win? As Strife mentioned, the majority of the most prominent rebel groups are not even Syrian. In fact, a good number of even native Sunnis support the Assad regime over the radical Sunnis from other countries; even they can't get on board with the radicals from their own religious sect.

The rebels cannot win without outside intervention. Too many of the rebels aren't even Syrian. Some of the rebels are Al-Qaida. If they have to gas 1400 of their own people to get outside help...that is a very small price for radical islamists to pay to secure international help. As the radicals say when innocents are killed, "Allah will know his own."
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How do you think they used a plane to gas them? Personally I don't have much faith in an untrained villager's ability to know whether a plane was used to gas them, but that's just me.
 
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...fd5_story.html

The preparations, as described by U.S. intelligence analysts, continued from Aug. 18 until just after midnight on Aug. 21, whenthe projectiles were loaded into rocket launchers behind the government's defensive lines.Then, at 2:30 a.m., a half-dozen densely populated neighborhoods were jolted awake by a series of explosions, followed by an oozing blanket of suffocating gas.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-23906913

He highlighted evidence in the assessment that regime forces had spent three days in eastern Damascus preparing for the attack.

"We know rockets came only from regime-controlled areas and landed only in opposition-held areas," he said.
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The opposition knows how to use rocket launchers considering we probably taught the region during the war between Afghanistan and Russia decades ago. The plane dropping the napalm like substance and the chemical weapons attack that killed 1400 are 2 separate incidents. If you can find me the link where the chemical attack was dropped by plane I would certainly be more likely to believe the regime did it.
 
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Urlithani_sl said:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...fd5_story.html



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-23906913



The opposition knows how to use rocket launchers considering we probably taught the region during the war between Afghanistan and Russia decades ago. The plane dropping the napalm like substance and the chemical weapons attack that killed 1400 are 2 separate incidents. If you can find me the link where the chemical attack was dropped by plane I would certainly be more likely to believe the regime did it.
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the link where eye witnesses say a plane dropped chemical weapons is here:http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...n-8790841.html

But like I said I don't really trust an untrained eye witness account unless they were fuckin... crop dusting this stuff on schools.
 
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Ummm dude... Syria and Afghanistan are kinda... Far apart.
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As I mentioned, the Russian-Afghanistan conflict was decades ago, from 1979 to 1989. Forgive my poor comparison of where the middle east might have received rocket launcher training since it is just one example; there are so many other places they could have picked it up, considering many arms are sold to many countries and groups. Also I'll admit it's my mistake in assuming this: when it says rocket launcher I thought of the shoulder mounted RPG style and not the "On wheels on the back of a truck" variety. Even the latter is a possibility for a rebel group to get their hands on considering they were making headway in the beginning and possibly raided an armory.

Unless another source says it came from an aircraft, it's still quite feasible that a rebel group did it, IMO. (My opinion is slanted due to skepticism of the US government and their shenanigans, however).
 
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And unless I'm mistaken it's not like this was a precision strike in Assad's backyard. They could've gotten a sophisticated delivery system and just mucked with it until it kicked off.
 
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the link where eye witnesses say a plane dropped chemical weapons is here:http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...n-8790841.html

But like I said I don't really trust an untrained eye witness account unless they were fuckin... crop dusting this stuff on schools.
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The chemical weapons attack that killed 1400 took place after Midnight on August 21st. The plane dropping a "napalm like substance" took place on August 29th(or the 30th? International date line/time zones...article was published on the 30th). I didn't watch Kerry or Obama speak but AFAIK the plane incident part isn't the even that caused them to garner support for a strike.

Napalm is not considered a chemical weapon, however it is banned by international law for use on civilians. I guess this could go either way; Obama could say "dropping napalm on civilians is bad so we must act" but he can't lump that into "they're using chemical weapons" because his opponents would mention how our dumb sekret mooselimb president doesn't know that Napalm isn't a chemical weapon and he's grasping at straws.

edit: but I agree with you not trusting sources/eyewitness accounts. It's frustrating not knowing the facts and I'm glad I don't have to make a decision, but I hope we mind our own business and don't do anything unless we can get something concrete (and even then how do we know we could trust it?)
 
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Napalm is not a chemical(gas) weapon, it's an incendiary and america used white phosphorous in Iraq it's kinda alot worse than napalm. they are desperate to smear Assad to sway opinion of the uninformed mob.
 
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Syrians warn U.S. that Al Qaeda has hijacked revolution

http://communities.washingtontimes.c...ion-civil-war/

Tiffany Madison Washington Times_sl said:
?I dislike the Syrian regime, but at least they?re not cutting off my head for God,? he said. ?America should listen to General Dempsey?s analysis (pdf attached). He is intelligent and knows this conflict. The U.S. should stop political and military support for terrorists destroying our country.?

For Darwish, his colleague and many Americans paying attention to the conflict, the truth of Syria?s hijacked revolution is no secret. These groups openly declare their terrorist affiliations with Al Qaeda and Al-Nasra online; they are terrorist parasites that found a host in the Syrian rebellion. The mainstream media has a responsibility, however, to report this truth more widely and accurately and have failed.

Christians, non-conforming Muslims, or even pro-Assad villages have been slaughtered. In occupied territory, moderates grow beards and women wear covers to stay alive. Impromptu beheadings and harsh punishments for minor offenses are daily. Rules about smoking, drinking, and sexual activity have been imposed based on strict interpretation of Islamic law, something laid-back Syrians find suffocating and intolerable.
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Sawthis picon a few sites. Check out SECDEF Chuck Hagel's choice of outfits for the War Room while deciding to bomb Syria:

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Is that Kerry next to Biden? He looks like he aged another 20 years since taking the SoS post
 
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What is great about that syrian stuff is we don't hear about Egypt anymore !
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Or the NSA watching me poop!

Or Trayvon!

It's just a good old fashioned warmongering against arabs! Refreshing, really. Reminds me of times past. Better days.
 
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Beset by bad press? Pretend to be willing to start a war. But don't actually do it because the entire point is to AVOID bad press. Wars in the middle east which last longer than 3 months or so are sure to generate some bad press for you. Instead, let the Congress stew and stalemate on the issue (bonus points for humiliating them with their own inability to meet their responsibilities -- that'll shut them up) and let "The American People" talk you off the cliff.

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Urlithani_sl said:
The chemical weapons attack that killed 1400 took place after Midnight on August 21st. The plane dropping a "napalm like substance" took place on August 29th(or the 30th? International date line/time zones...article was published on the 30th). I didn't watch Kerry or Obama speak but AFAIK the plane incident part isn't the even that caused them to garner support for a strike.
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Thanks for the clarification.

Azeth, I buy that the plane attack probably came from Assad, but since it didn't use chemical weapons it's not the incident we're talking about. What evidence do we have that the chemical attacks from the rockets were from Assad's regime? Just that US intelligence says it was fired from regime controlled areas into opposition controlled areas?
 
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Tuco, there was a guy living in Syria that did an AMA yesterday. He thinks it was Assad, that's good enough for me. I trust some random dude that lives there over international press and government agencies.
 
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Random people in Egypt think we did 9/11 ourselves, or that Israel did it. I don't trust random people anywhere.
 
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Not comparable. 9/11 happened in New York, what do average New Yorkers think about...

I see what you mean.
 
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Himeo_sl said:
Tuco, there was a guy living in Syria that did an AMA yesterday. He thinks it was Assad, that's good enough for me. I trust some random dude that lives there over international press and government agencies.
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I guess I don't trust anyone. All I trust is hard evidence which is all but impossible to really get.
 
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