War with Syria

fanaskin

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syria is Irans major client state, the sanctions on Iran haven't broken Iran yet.

Iran's economic stake in Syria


Syria and Iran cementing long-term economic ties via oil


whatever think tank is supplying the script for the show, american hegemonic strategy seems to rely on getting at Iran, that seems to be the big prize and syria is the domino right before that.

whether it's to try and deny oil to china, or to continue assaulting one of 3 countries left on the planet that isn't run by a central bank that's tied to the UN banks (north korea and cuba are the other 2), or to prevent an oil bearing country from selling oil based on the euro instead of the petro-dollar. Also the aforementioned pipeline. Also lebanon who often attacks israel is supplied by Syria who is supplied by Iran.

it probably has a little to do with all 5, or maybe it's something that isn't even on the radar like themajor oil findoff of Lebanon/Syria's/Israels coast in the Mediterranean.

it's hard to figure things out when you are out of the loop and fed disinformation, isn't it.
 

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I think it's more about Qatar wanting to build a gas pipeline to ship its gas through Turkey to the EU. They need to go through Syria and Assad is refusing because Russia doesn't want competeting gas pipelines.

If Assad would just let Qatar builds its pipeline we coud end WWIII before it begins.
DING DING DING DING DING! We have a winner!
 

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This was back in june

The Turkish media reported earlier that the Turkish intelligence seized 12 persons from Jabhatal-Nusrawith links to al-Qaeda in Adana city in southern Turkey andconfiscated 2 kg of toxic sarin gas, ammunition, several documents and digital information were in their possession.
 

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Chemical experts doubt the truth of mass gas attacks in Syria.

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Defense Minister Moshe Ya'alon said Wednesday that the Syrian regime has used chemical weapons multiple times in its conflict against rebel forces.

Speaking at a press briefing to military correspondents, Ya'alon responded to reports that non-conventional weapons were used in an attack on districts east of Damascus Wednesday morning. While he did not specifically relate to the morning's reports, the defense minister said, "The civil war in Syria is continuing, with one hundred thousand dead, and, not for the first time, the regime is employing chemical weapons. This is a life-and-death struggle between a regime representing the Alawite minority and a disunited opposition. The end is not yet in sight, and even the fall of [Syrian President Bashar] Assad would not end this conflict."

The reports of shelling chemical agents, presumably sarin, came in the midst of a visit by a team of UN inspectors who had arrived in Damascus to investigate the previous use of such lethal weapons in Syria.

The number of casualties from the alleged attack is unclear, but estimates have ranged from dozens to 1,300 killed, depending on the source. Both the Syrian government and army have tirelessly denied that such an attack took place.

The central evidence of the alleged use of chemical weapons is the fact that bodies shown in the footage posted on the Internet do not show any clear signs of external trauma, leading to the conclusion that the cause of death was some form of respiratory trauma or asphyxiation. Some of the casualties showed signs of convulsions and, in at least one case, contracted pupils, which are both symptoms of exposure to nerve agents.

However, Western experts on chemical warfare who have examined at least part of the footage are skeptical that weapons-grade chemical substances were used, although they all emphasize that serious conclusions cannot be reached without thorough on-site examination.

Dan Kaszeta, a former officer of the U.S. Army's Chemical Corps and a leading private consultant, pointed out a number of details absent from the footage so far: "None of the people treating the casualties or photographing them are wearing any sort of chemical-warfare protective gear," he says, "and despite that, none of them seem to be harmed." This would seem to rule out most types of military-grade chemical weapons, including the vast majority of nerve gases, since these substances would not evaporate immediately, especially if they were used in sufficient quantities to kill hundreds of people, but rather leave a level of contamination on clothes and bodies which would harm anyone coming in unprotected contact with them in the hours after an attack. In addition, he says that "there are none of the other signs you would expect to see in the aftermath of a chemical attack, such as intermediate levels of casualties, severe visual problems, vomiting and loss of bowel control."

Steve Johnson, a leading researcher on the effects of hazardous material exposure at England's Cranfield University who has worked with Britain's Ministry of Defense on chemical warfare issues, agrees that "from the details we have seen so far, a large number of casualties over a wide area would mean quite a pervasive dispersal. With that level of chemical agent, you would expect to see a lot of contamination on the casualties coming in ,and it would affect those treating them who are not properly protected. We are not seeing that here."

Additional questions also remain unanswered, especially regarding the timing of the attack, being that it occurred on the exact same day that a team of UN inspectors was in Damascus to investigate earlier claims of chemical weapons use. It is also unclear what tactical goal the Syrian army would have been trying to achieve, when over the last few weeks it has managed to push back the rebels who were encroaching on central areas of the capital. But if this was not a chemical weapons attack, what then caused the deaths of so many people without any external signs of trauma?

"One alternative is that a large concentration of riot control agents were used here, which could have caused suffocation of large numbers of people who were pressed together in a bunker or underground shelter," says Gwyn Winfield, a veteran researcher and editor of CBRNe World, a professional journal the effects of chemical, biological and nuclear warfare. While riot-control substances, mainly various types of tear gas, are usually deployed in small quantities using hand-grenades, they can be used in much larger quantities in artillery shells or even dropped in barrels from aircraft as the U.S. Army did in Vietnam, trying to flush the Vietcong out of its underground bunkers. In large concentrations, these substances can cause suffocation, especially in closed spaces where many of the Syrian families would have been hiding from the bombing.

Another possible explanation for the casualties is that a large bomb, or a number of bombs, created a fireball that sucked the air out of the nearby building for a short period of time, causing the asphyxiation of those inside. The Syrians have extensively used fuel-air bombs, which create a large vacuum beneath the blast and could have lead to many such casualties.

The Syrian rebels (and perhaps other players in the region) have a clear interest in presenting this as the largest chemical attack by the army loyal to Syrian President Bashar Assad to date, even if the cause was otherwise, especially while the UN inspectors are in the country. It is also in their interest to do so whilst U.S. President Barack Obama remains reluctant to commit any military support to the rebels, when only the crossing of a "red line" could convince him to change his policy.

The rebels and the doctors on the scene may indeed believe that chemical weapons were used, since they fear such an attack, but they may not have the necessary knowledge and means to make such a diagnosis. The European Union demanded Wednesday that the UN inspectors be granted access to the new sites of alleged chemical attacks, but since this is not within the team's mandate, it is unlikely that the Syrian government will do so.

'Prepare for prolonged war'

Following his comments on Syria, Ya'alon spoke to U.S. Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel. According to a press statement released by Ya'alon's bureau, the two discussed "the developments of the last few days in the Middle East." A press statement of the U.S. Department of Defense said that the two discussed the ongoing violence in Syria, including the latest reports on the use of chemical weapons, and the situations in Egypt and Iran. The statement also said that Hagel and Ya'alon agreed to continue their intensive dialogue relating to "the challenges facing the United States and Israel."

Last week, UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon visited Israel and the West Bank. During his meeting with Ya'alon, the defense minister told him that "we should prepare for a prolonged civil war in Syria." In his briefing, Ya'alon said that the assessment among defense officials is that the conflict in Syria has now assumed global dimensions, with one side supported by Russia and the other by the United States. "The regime cannot rout the opposition, nor can it be defeated by the rebels."

"The blood count is constantly rising," added Ya'alon. "This is no longer a local Syrian issue; It reflects the frontline of the conflict between Sunnis and Shiites."

Ya'alon also referred to developments in Egypt, saying, "We have all been observing the changes taking place there in recent days. Events there are leading to a sharp confrontation between the defense establishment and Islamic elements, with nightly terror attacks in Sinai carried out by global Jihadi elements."

Ya'alon described the Sinai attack on 25 Egyptian security personnel on their way to a vacation as a serious incident, saying that defense officials in Israel are closely following the situation there. "Accordingly, there is a more substantial reinforcement of our own forces on that border, to counter any potential threats."

The defense minister reviewed the security situation on the Syrian border, claiming that 80 percent of the buffer zone is now in the hands of the opposition. Most of them are not affiliated with Jabhat Al-Nusra, a group that is part of the global Jihad movement. This group, which is linked to Al-Qaida, "is acting independently in the context of its global outlook, in an attempt to gain control of the area."

The defense minister also discussed the implications of the Syrian conflict for Lebanon. Hezbollah has sent thousands of fighters to Syria, explained Ya'alon, who "are fighting alongside the Syrian army, aided by Iran with money, ammunition, weapons and training." The main areas of confrontation in Lebanon are now in Beirut, Sidon and Tripoli. The defense minister added, "There are some Sunni elements that are using Lebanon as a base for carrying out hostile attacks."
Western experts on chemical warfare who have examined at least part of the footage are skeptical that weapons-grade chemical substances were used, although they all emphasize that serious conclusions cannot be reached without thorough on-site examination. Dan Kaszeta, a former officer of the U.S. Army's Chemical Corps and a leading private consultant, pointed out a number of details absent from the footage so far: "None of the people treating the casualties or photographing them are wearing any sort of chemical-warfare protective gear," he says, "and despite that, none of them seem to be harmed." This would seem to rule out most types of military-grade chemical weapons, including the vast majority of nerve gases, since these substances would not evaporate immediately, especially if they were used in sufficient quantities to kill hundreds of people, but rather leave a level of contamination on clothes and bodies which would harm anyone coming in unprotected contact with them in the hours after an attack. In addition, he says that "there are none of the other signs you would expect to see in the aftermath of a chemical attack, such as intermediate levels of casualties, severe visual problems, vomiting and loss of bowel control."

Steve Johnson, a leading researcher on the effects of hazardous material exposure at England's Cranfield University who has worked with Britain's Ministry of Defense on chemical warfare issues, agrees that "from the details we have seen so far, a large number of casualties over a wide area would mean quite a pervasive dispersal.With that level of chemical agent, you would expect to see a lot of contamination on the casualties coming in ,and it would affect those treating them who are not properly protected. We are not seeing that here."Additional questions also remain unanswered, especially regarding the timing of the attack, being that it occurred on the exact same day that a team of UN inspectors was in Damascus to investigate earlier claims of chemical weapons use. It is also unclear what tactical goal the Syrian army would have been trying to achieve, when over the last few weeks it has managed to push back the rebels who were encroaching on central areas of the capital. But if this was not a chemical weapons attack, what then caused the deaths of so many people without any external signs of trauma?
 

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I can't see any interest on the part of Iraq to help Qatar ship its gas.
This doesnt even make sense. Iraq is one of the friendliest states US still has in ME and yet they want to put a pipeline through one of the most hostile ones like Syria? And involve Jordan as well?

When they could just go from Qatar to Saudi Arabia to Iraq to Turkey.
 

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Some of you all love your conspiracy theories. If only the world was something that was able to be manipulated thusly, it might a much less scary place. Stop looking for patterns in the chaos. It's just chaos. We live in the age of reaction, where the world has become so complicated and connected that all people can do is react to what happens.

As far as motivation for Assad to use chemical weapons when he was winning: Yes the military has gained the upper hand, but there have been several reversals in this war, neither side can finish the other off. The one major weapon the rebels have used with great effect is the IED. They have been able to create no go zones and limited the Syrian militaries ability to follow up, pursue and capitalize on victories.

When do you use chemical weapons? Sometimes, like in Saddams case, times of desperation, to stop the Iranian human wave attacks. But other times, you use it like he used it on the Kurds... When you have the upper hand and are looking to land a decisive blow, eliminating an opposing group in an area where the military does not have the capacity to operate. Such as what Assad did.

Assad took the short term gain with the gamble that UN was a problem Russia could hold off.
 

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Weren't you the one who told us that Russia wasn't a superpower?
 

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Look. It's not. Nuclear weapons do not make a super power.. How is Russia more of "super power" than Pakistan. You need to look up the definition of superpower.

I could list 50 different articles on Russia and its super power status, some would be for, some against. You can choose to believe what you want based on whatever evidence you choose. I differ. But stop pretending you have some obvious open and shut case. Russia is declining.. Fact. It has extremely limited global influence and no significant strategic partners, it has a stale economy and a declining population. But.. Nukes... I guess.
 

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Weren't you the one who told us that Russia wasn't a superpower?
That's still good for a chuckle a full day later.

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I imagine a superpower is a nation that can put forth some claim towards hegemony. The USSR could during the Cold War, but that is really not the case today.
 

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Look. It's not. Nuclear weapons do not make a super power.. How is Russia more of "super power" than Pakistan. You need to look up the definition of superpower.
Russia isn't an empire anymore, and lost 1/2 it's population but it can still kill the world with nuclear icbm's, it's still a major power through the shear glutton of natural resources and military technology it has, Pakistan has no such ICBM world killing ability, resources and technical capability.

Pakistan isn't the second major arms dealer in the world, which is the main influence on global politics like this, Pakistan could not supply Syria with credible modern missile defense weapons that it built, Russia can. Russia is still a major player

nor does Pakistan have anything resembling a navy.

seriously you have your head up your ass "it's just chaos guys".
 

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Obama helping Al-Qaeda in Syria reminds me of Hulk Hogan joining the NWO.

Anyone here skilled enough to put two clips together? Obama's face over Hogan's face during the NWO reveal, then a transition to Obama's face over the bycle rider being chased by the boxer with Bashar Al Assad's face with the caption reading, "Bama Stole mah Syria?" Then, perhaps Joe Biden "imma firing mah lazer"
 

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Look. It's not. Nuclear weapons do not make a super power.. How is Russia more of "super power" than Pakistan. You need to look up the definition of superpower.

I could list 50 different articles on Russia and its super power status, some would be for, some against. You can choose to believe what you want based on whatever evidence you choose. I differ. But stop pretending you have some obvious open and shut case. Russia is declining.. Fact. It has extremely limited global influence and no significant strategic partners, it has a stale economy and a declining population. But.. Nukes... I guess.
Bro, I see everyone else already covered everything except the population thing so I'll repeat it again since it didn't sink in yesterday

Russian population has been on the rise for almost half a decade
 

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Syria: US Asks Greece for Military Base Access

According to reports, the US authorities are reluctant to use Turkish military bases because of Ankara's strong support for the Assad opposition.

A buildup of warplanes and military transporters has been reported at the British airbase at Akrotiri in Cyprus, less than 100 miles from Syria.
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The director of National Intelligence James Clapper led a three-hour meeting to go through evidence of the chemical weapon attack in Ghouta. White House lawyers are preparing legal justification for a military strike outside the UN Security Council remit, with a focus on alleged violations of the Geneva Convention and the Chemical Weapons Convention.

Four UN Navy warships are already in the eastern Mediteranean and could fire Cruise missiles within hours of receiving the green light from Obama.

He is reportedly thinking of a one-off military strike with limited scope and duration, aimed at punishing the Syrian regime and deterring it from using chemical weapons again.

The attack, which would last no more than two days and involve sea-launched Cruise missiles, would target military facilities not directly related to Syria's chemical weapons arsenal.

The weapons would be fired in the middle of the night when most civilians would be off the street.
 

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Apparently the smoking gun evidence is an intercepted phone call in which chemical weapons were discussed amongst Syrian officials. But no one knows what was used and when, if at all, and if it was even authorized or just some rogue officer in the military.