Weight Loss Thread

Eomer_sl said:

People aren't angry that she's healthy or looks good. They're angry because she's lording that shit over them.

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I think it's clear she's trying to be a positive influence. I'm sure she's very proud of her accomplishments (how awful!) but I have no reason to believe she doesnt sincerely want other people to get the same results. The "I have bad genes" and "I have kids" excuses are common, it's not lording over people to say it doesnt need to be that way.

Deathwing_sl said:

You can lose weight through eating, but I disagree that you'll be in shape. You'll just be "skinny fat" or something close to it. If you don't combat that your body will go after unused muscle first, you'll lose a lot more than just fat. And even if you do combat it(idk, eating a ton of protein?), your body still won't be in shape. I think regular exercise is a requirement to being in shape.

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I don't want to derail the weight loss thread too much but no, you will not be "skinny fat" if you eat right but don't exercise. Skinny fat is a term reserved for people who don't eat much, and aren't fat, but when they do eat they eat a lot of sweets or otherwise unhealthy food. They just don't eat much so they don't look obese. Eating a healthy diet with minimal exercise (not much more than a normal daily routine) will put you in the "fit" category. You will not be as defined or athletic as someone who has an exercise regimen but you will not be skinny fat either.

Body going after unused muscle? It only does that when it's in starvation mode.

Deathwing_sl said:

Again, the 8 hours was just supposed to signify a typical work day, as in, that's her career. Chaos has to go to gym that has childcare. Just having the kids off your hands for even a couple hours is a huge advantage.

You can lose weight through eating, but I disagree that you'll be in shape. You'll just be "skinny fat" or something close to it. If you don't combat that your body will go after unused muscle first, you'll lose a lot more than just fat. And even if you do combat it(idk, eating a ton of protein?), your body still won't be in shape. I think regular exercise is a requirement to being in shape. And she certainly implies that with what she's wearing and the advertisements on her kids' shirts.

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I just briefly skimmed the article, but according to her she works out for about an hour a day, 5 or 6 times a week. She said that she tries to work out whenever she has time, including at the park; while her kids are playing, she's doing some kind of exercise instead of sitting on the bench. It doesn't sound like she treats fitness as a career.

Also, you're speaking like going to the gym is necessary. Body weight exercises at home can get you pretty damn ripped if you do them regularly. Do some push ups, squats, lunges, etc. in your living room for 20 minutes a day and combine it with a solid diet. You'll look better than 90% of the people in the country.

*edit* Looking again at her picture, she has a body that absolutely does not require stepping foot out of your house. Eating right and doing some body weight exercises a few times a week will get anyone toned like she is. There really is no excuse for being fat other than laziness and lack of willpower. People are angry because she's pointing that out.

It's about lifestyle, and she shared her story in the hopes of inspiring people. She made it a point to have a healthy lifestyle which includes working out and eating right. Every person on this forum who has lost significant weight did so by changing their lifestyle, (i.e. choosing a salad instead of a burger and adding activity to their days). It's plainly evident in all our posts, and we call people out on it too. She found a forum to say "hey fatties, you can do it", and they're just shitting on her for it. Fat people that complain/make excuses for their conditionshouldbe shamed. Some might actually do something about it eventually. The poster didn't say, "Hey, I'm glad I don't look like you whales. Neener Neener".

But hey, it's people that spend all their time flaming social networks. They should put down the cheetos and take the time they took to write the flames and do jumping jacks or something instead.

Well that's just it, the people complaining are the kind of people who never want to be held accountable for anything. All their problems are always something or someone else's fault, never their own and how dare you say otherwise.

Deathwing_sl said:

That's fair enough, I'll accept that you can obtain that kind of physique at home. I didn't mean to conflate going to the gym as a requirement. I had assumed that her career was fitness based because of the adverts on the shirts.

Khane, are you sure about the muscle part? That certainly goes against what I've read and experienced myself. Had a kid recently and didn't go to the gym for about a month. Had to knock down the weights one step from what I was at previously.

And again, that's not the definition of skinny fat that I've heard.

"A normal routine" will give you results like hers though. I think it's a tad disingenuous to minimize a normal exercise routine by relegating it to a parentheses.

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Well I didn't mean a normal exercise routine, I meant a normal daily routine (as in wake up, shower, go to work, hopefully walk around some at least, maybe you are part of some rec league type activity or hike every once in a while). Basically anything that isn't completely sedentary 90% of the time. If you built up some extra muscle because of your lifestyle or workout routine and then you stop you will lose it over time but it's a very, very slow process unless you are "starving" yourself. Just because you can't lift as much after a month long break has more to do with you not being active and utilizing that muscle than the muscle being gone. You'll find that you get back to your old numbers very very quickly which wouldn't be possible if you had to "rebuild" from scratch.

A person will not be skinny fat if they eat healthy and live a normal lifestyle. I'm not saying eating healthy but never leaving your couch will make you fit. I'm saying having a normal schedule and living like a normal adult while eating healthy will though.

Essentially what I'm saying is, most overweight people could change their health and fitness drastically just by eating right. An exercise routine just makes you see results faster and adds some extra definition and shape if doing weight or strength training. You can still be in great shape without it though. Cardio is not going to get your ripped or defined, ever take a good look at a professional marathon runner? They look emaciated and disgusting typically.

Tarrant_sl said:

Also Bill Gates grew himself from the ground up and was a drop out, him having a huge stack of money should also be inspiring.

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Not really. Bill Gates is an inspiring story, sure, but in no way should anyone take from that story that he grew himself from the ground up and that being a drop out was somehow a hindrance to him.

This chick, sure, this is her job and sure, she's trying to be inspiring. As with all things, it is definitely easier for her than say my wife who also has 3 kids. Just saying "I have three kids" is not the whole story. I think it is great, and fuck the fat acceptance shit. But this is typical of the industry surrounding fitness and nutrition. Great example: coconut oil. People make fortunes in this industry telling part of the story and showing off their out of context results, and most people are not analytical enough to pick this shit out. So all they see is "coconut oil will make me lose weight" and they gloss over the other diet and exercise shit that went into making that case study that the consumer found inspiring in the first place, the lifestyle changes and support that these people had to achieve this. Results are not typical, bros.

And I still don't understand what "skinny fat" means.

Results are not typical, bros.

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Bullshit. There are TONS--literally, thousands--of transformations on the Internet of average joes with families, jobs, and other typical responsibilities who have managed to get into shape without devoting their entire lives to fitness or making it a career. All it takes is willpower and dedication.

Go look overthis threadandthis thread. That alone is hundreds of transformations of normal folks, many of which are MUCH more impressive than how this woman looks.

Acting like what this woman did is somehow special or "not typical" is absolutely retarded, because people do the same thing every day. The results are typical for people who are motivated and have the willpower to not give up.

If I'm looking to be a millionaire or inventor/developer of something that changes the entire mother effing world, ya, I'd have a poster of Gates up above my bed. He's sexier than Jobs. Jobs has way too many sharp areas.

McCheese_sl said:

Bullshit. There are TONS--literally, thousands--of transformations on the Internet of average joes with families, jobs, and other typical responsibilities who have managed to get into shape without devoting their entire lives to fitness or making it a career. All it takes is willpower and dedication.

Go look overthis threadandthis thread. That alone is hundreds of transformations of normal folks, many of which are MUCH more impressive than how this woman looks.

Acting like what this woman did is somehow special or "not typical" is absolutely retarded, because people do the same thing every day. The results are typical for people who are motivated and have the willpower to not give up.

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So you're saying it IS typical then? In our society? Get the fuck out of here.

It isn't. People don't have to devote their entire lives to fitness to get in killer shape like that chick, but they do have to make significant lifestyle changes that not everyone can just decide to make. Again with this half the story shit. So someone has kids and a job and they got in shape, big deal bros, what's your excuse? It is all about priorities, and not everyone can prioritize their lives to be in that kind of shape. That doesn't mean she should feel bad for trying to market herself, good for her. But that also doesn't mean every mom in America should hold themselves to that standard with zero context and say "I should be her." Well you could be, but you'll find it requires more than just platitudes and shit.

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chaos_sl said:

So you're saying it IS typical then? In our society? Get the fuck out of here.

It isn't. People don't have to devote their entire lives to fitness to get in killer shape like that chick, but they do have to make significant lifestyle changes that not everyone can just decide to make. Again with this half the story shit. So someone has kids and a job and they got in shape, big deal bros, what's your excuse? It is all about priorities,a nd not everyone can prioritize their lives to be in that kind of shape.

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I'm not saying it's typical for our society, I'm saying it's typicalfor people who have the willpower and dedication.

How is choosing the salad over the burger when you go out to eat a "significant" lifestyle change? Or hell, get the chicken sandwich instead of the burger? These aren't difficult decisions to make, they aren't priorities.They are simple decisions that most people are too weak-willed to make.

chaos_sl said:

So you're saying it IS typical then? In our society? Get the fuck out of here.

It isn't. People don't have to devote their entire lives to fitness to get in killer shape like that chick, but they do have to make significant lifestyle changes that not everyone can just decide to make. Again with this half the story shit. So someone has kids and a job and they got in shape, big deal bros, what's your excuse? It is all about priorities, and not everyone can prioritize their lives to be in that kind of shape. That doesn't mean she should feel bad for trying to market herself, good for her. But that also doesn't mean every mom in America should hold themselves to that standard with zero context and say "I should be her." Well you could be, but you'll find it requires more than just platitudes and shit.

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Again, it's motivation, not this is what you should be. Your goals should be above where you're at now..that's kind of the definition. And no, being fit, or even aspiring to be fit doesn't take "significant" lifestyle changes unless eating veggies instead of bigmacs and walking instead of watching TV is significant. It can take a significant amount of time, depending on where you start, but not a significant effort. And the point is people who don't make ANY effort are the ones trying to shame the Mom, not the ones who make the effort. Those are the ones who bookmarked her article/pic.

McCheese_sl said:

I'm not saying it's typical for our society, I'm saying it's typicalfor people who have the willpower and dedication.

How is choosing the salad over the burger when you go out to eat a "significant" lifestyle change? Or hell, get the chicken sandwich instead of the burger? These aren't difficult things to make, they aren't priorities.They are simple decisions that most people are too weak-willed to make.

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A salad can have as much or more calories compared to a burger, that isn't automatically a superior choice. These are decisions that people are not educated enough to make. Incorporating exercise into your life is a significant change for many people. And when they have kids we're talking about child care to supplement that. Changing your diet involves education and money to buy healthier foods. Developing a mentality that prioritizes fitness, shit some people don't seem to understand that exercise should be hard, the whole idea is to push yourself, not buy a bunch of outfits and hang out at the gym with friends. There are a lot of things that need to be addressed before someone can get in shape, and a person who has prioritized those things will make that happen. I'm just saying there is a lot more to the story and really it is a disservice to people looking for inspiration in these kinds of stories to gloss over that. People tend to get discouraged when it seems like it was easy for X person to do this with their same issues, but for them it is more difficult.

chaos_sl said:

And I still don't understand what "skinny fat" means.

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Skinnyfat is the term used for people who are skinny but are horribly out of shape from malnutrition or lack of exercise, pretty much only skinny because they starve themselves.

chaos_sl said:

A salad can have as much or more calories compared to a burger

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Lay off the ranch and friend chicken strips and no, it's not.

BoldW_sl said:

Again, it's motivation, not this is what you should be. Your goals should be above where you're at now..that's kind of the definition. And no, being fit, or even aspiring to be fit doesn't take "significant" lifestyle changes unless eating veggies instead of bigmacs and walking instead of watching TV is significant. It can take a significant amount of time, depending on where you start, but not a significant effort. And the point is people who don't make ANY effort are the ones trying to shame the Mom, not the ones who make the effort. Those are the ones who bookmarked her article/pic.

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When people look at stuff like that, in their minds they think they should be that. Especially when it is framed as if to say "I did this and have the same challenges you do, you have no excuse." I agree, people in general just need to start with small changes. But I don't agree at all that it doesn't require significant changes to get from Mr. Fat As Fatass in the pic above to this chick's body. She didn't get that way by walking 3 days a week and dropping big macs from her diet. And she was probably starting from a much more accessible place than a lot of her target audience.