Weight Loss Thread
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McQueen
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So your sweet tooth is gone, but you get bored and crave fake sugar? Don't you also put fake sugar sweetener in that god-awful coffee you drink?
Khane
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This thread is getting way off track.
Let me try to explain why Himeo is so fervent. Because low carb literally changed his life. If you do ketogenic diets sugar literally is the enemy. Every keto diet demonizes sugar. It's not wrong per se but it's over embellishment.
When they attack sugar as the culprit they aren't wrong. Look at the average obese Americans diet and you'll typically see that they consume hundreds upon hundreds of calories in sugar JUST FROM LIQUID every day. Add on top of that all the sugary/sweet/starchy foods they eat and it literally is poisoning your body. But as most of you fine bros have pointed out, almost anything can become "poisonous", even water if you consume too much. When Deathwing talks about knowing what sugar does and not caring, what he actually means is he knows what sugar does, so he limits his intake to appropriate levels (I'd be surprised if he consumed more than 60-80g of sugar a day). When you are exercising and eating a balanced diet that is perfectly acceptable. It's more than I would eat but it isn't unsafe. Himeo jumps on sugar because he's buying into the exaggerations of the media in regards to low carb diets.
Himeo I don't blame you for being so passionate about it. Losing 140 lbs is something that will change the entire way a person acts and thinks. Keto works. It worked for me (100 lbs in 10 months almost 8 years ago), and it worked for you. The results can be staggering. But sugar is NOT as bad as you are making it out to be. I personally fight the good fight against sugar because if you tell a person who is overweight to cut sugars out of their diet they will most likely succeed in losing weight. But that doesn't mean people can't do it without eliminating sugars to the degree a keto diet requires.
Let me try to explain why Himeo is so fervent. Because low carb literally changed his life. If you do ketogenic diets sugar literally is the enemy. Every keto diet demonizes sugar. It's not wrong per se but it's over embellishment.
When they attack sugar as the culprit they aren't wrong. Look at the average obese Americans diet and you'll typically see that they consume hundreds upon hundreds of calories in sugar JUST FROM LIQUID every day. Add on top of that all the sugary/sweet/starchy foods they eat and it literally is poisoning your body. But as most of you fine bros have pointed out, almost anything can become "poisonous", even water if you consume too much. When Deathwing talks about knowing what sugar does and not caring, what he actually means is he knows what sugar does, so he limits his intake to appropriate levels (I'd be surprised if he consumed more than 60-80g of sugar a day). When you are exercising and eating a balanced diet that is perfectly acceptable. It's more than I would eat but it isn't unsafe. Himeo jumps on sugar because he's buying into the exaggerations of the media in regards to low carb diets.
Himeo I don't blame you for being so passionate about it. Losing 140 lbs is something that will change the entire way a person acts and thinks. Keto works. It worked for me (100 lbs in 10 months almost 8 years ago), and it worked for you. The results can be staggering. But sugar is NOT as bad as you are making it out to be. I personally fight the good fight against sugar because if you tell a person who is overweight to cut sugars out of their diet they will most likely succeed in losing weight. But that doesn't mean people can't do it without eliminating sugars to the degree a keto diet requires.
Khane
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I don't think it was Himeo who drank that butter coffee retardation. Pretty sure that was someone else. Ubiquitrips maybe?
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Tuco
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Sigh, no it's not. Yeah, you can get noob gains, but carb cycling will always be optimal provided you are lean enough. (Plus you are arguing with the wrong person, I went from 80kg and 23% bf to 74kg and 10% last year, gaining 6kg of muscle at the same time as losing that fat - I know all about noob gains)
You need a post workout insulin spike to drive nutrients into the muscles.
I'm not saying you should go crazy on pizza and donuts, simply that 300-400g of sweet potato in your post workout meal is a good idea.
I agree with you that low carb is always the fastest way to lose weight, but once a person is lean enough, there's no reason to fear them, (In moderation, at the right times), otherwise you are just short changing your results
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Hmm, I haven't seen any credible sources saying it was possible to both lose fat and gain muscle. Either you run at a calorie deficit and burn fat as well as a small amount of muscle or a surplus to gain both. Even all the roiders I've read stuff from say that you'd need a manly as shit cycle that includes hgh for it to happen. There's of course a ton of conflicting sources everywhere in the fitness world but by and large that's what I've always heard. I'm sacrificing quite a bit of muscle to get down to sub 10% but I'm not going to even think about any sort of bulk until I see abs. I'd be interested to know what to change to actually gain lean mass while cutting.
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Warmuth
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I'll look into him more. He mentions gaining while cutting in the video but tells the guy just to cut and not worry about muscle until he's lean. Pictures, eh. We all know how easy it is to manipulate that. I'd look way more jacked now in a picture than I did 20lbs ago too.
Gravel
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That's pretty much true, and I think I called Ossoi out on it months ago. There are only two situations where it's possible for someone who isn't running a cycle. One would be if you're significantly overweight. In that case, your body has so much extra fuel to burn that you can both drop weight and gain muscle. The second would be if you're a noob lifter and you can use those first several months of gains to overcome the limitations on the body that are present once you've been doing it for a while.
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Did you even watch the video? Clearly you didn't, as the context is "the average beginner" who is "20-25% bf"
So yeah, thanks for the redundant reply
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Lol, but you have time to post identical before and after pics, rofl
Scared you might learn something?
Khane
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Jesus christ would you guys shut up with the fucking bro science. It is perfectly possible and reasonable to expect to build muscle while also losing weight. If you need to lose weight you are, by definition, overweight. So Elurin your argument falls flat on its face right there. And you don't need to be significantly overweight for it to work. You nerds put way too much stock into this cycle, cut, bulk bullshit.
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For reals, dude sees another chance to debunk Ossoi and writes lengthy reply, which is almost identical to the what the video he was trying to debunk says, rofl
Gravel
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Warmuth asked a question, and I answered it. And I don't know why you're agreeing with Khane, Ossoi, because he just said your video is wrong too then. It's like you only hear what you want to hear. My "called Ossoi out on it" comment was because as far as I know, you claimed that you weren't overweight and weren't a noob, so you shouldn't have been able to gain muscle and lose fat. I wasn't trying to debunk your video, I just didn't watch it, because you post all kind of retarded shit all the time (e.g. anything from Lyle McDonald who is a fucking hack).
And Khane, what's your comment based on? I'd like to see someone who's been lifting for several years and is sub-13% bodyfat lose weight and gain muscle at the same time. It's fucking not going to happen unless they're a genetic freak.
And Khane, what's your comment based on? I'd like to see someone who's been lifting for several years and is sub-13% bodyfat lose weight and gain muscle at the same time. It's fucking not going to happen unless they're a genetic freak.