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Who gives a shit about being in ketosis?
As I said above. Even the people that preached keto are moving away from it.
It's not a magic bullet, I'm fed up of having this conversation every month in this thread.
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As I said above. Even the people that preached keto are moving away from it.
It's not a magic bullet, I'm fed up of having this conversation every month in this thread.
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A few years ago I had a lot of success eating really low carb/keto, so I'm not gonna knock it, but I think the middle ground on ketosis is that it's an effective tool to expedite fat loss in a short window. I don't think it's a one-size-fits-all approach, nor do I think that anyone should adopt it as a long-term lifestyle choice. I won't use the word "unhealthy" as it's devoid of any significance since it's been so highly politicized and marketed, but it's safe to say that long-term ketogenic diets will deprive you of highly nutritious (and life-sustaining) micronutrients and vitamins that are only found in fruits and low-fiber veggies.
As has been repeated ad naseum, if you're simply trying to lose weight, keeping your calories in lower than your calories out will get you there without fail. Eventually you will have to optimize that and pay attention to the macro nutrient breakdown, but not at 300 lbs. When you're struggling to get off the plateau from 15% body fat to 12%, that's when you'll need to pay attention. For anything higher than that, just avoid processed junk food and sugar and you're guaranteed to lose weight.
As has been repeated ad naseum, if you're simply trying to lose weight, keeping your calories in lower than your calories out will get you there without fail. Eventually you will have to optimize that and pay attention to the macro nutrient breakdown, but not at 300 lbs. When you're struggling to get off the plateau from 15% body fat to 12%, that's when you'll need to pay attention. For anything higher than that, just avoid processed junk food and sugar and you're guaranteed to lose weight.
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Probably. I didn't used to think I was, but I have gotten quite slim. I may be slightly between ecto and meso, but I don't know. I just have less core muscle than I thought I did. I can do hanging sit-ups, pull-ups, etc. but when you're not moving a lot of weight you have to do a lot of those to make progress. I need to lift, but I'm having trouble finding time with my current work/school schedule. Also my work can get very physical, so I don't want to wear myself out and then be unable to give my all on the job.
Dude works out pretty hard, I expect his cholesterol is excellent. They've been throwing out a lot of old dietary cholesterol warnings in light of new info that your body makes more as you eat less and that the ratio of good and bad cholesterol in your system is unaffected by the diet of 75% of the population. Furthermore, low carb diets, even those high in saturated fats, reduce triglycerides, glucose, insulin, and c-reactive proteins, high levels of which are linked with cardiovascular disease.
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People who are fat trying to lose weight you fucktard. Not everyone is 6,2 ft and weighs 165 trying to get that last 2% body fat. You are not the typical person to do keto. So quit coming off as some dietician guru because you simply dont know shit.
Keto is the best way to lose substantial weight in least amount of time while doing nothing for exercise. Its also a more sustainable diet in the short term rather than calorie counting because you eat calorie rich foods that satiate better and you dont have to count shit. And im fucking proof of this. 270 down to 195 in less than 6 mos.
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Thanks bro, yeah it does. Went from size 40 down to 33, can wear my fucking teenagers hoodies and shit. Feels great and I also feel great. My energy levels are great. Also my numbers are right on point. I was pretty much headed for heart disease and diabetes. All that shit was reversed in one fell swoop. Fuck people who say this is not sustainable. Its been a year now, and while yes, I eased off the strict keto shit, I still maintain with a low carb diet of about ~50g. And I dont do shit for exercise because im a lazy fuck.
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At the height of my weight loss back in November/December, I was eating basically the exact same thing every day. Cottage Cheese+Pineapples in the morning (3/4 cup), Chicken/Feta/Spinach Pita Sandwich with Broccoli for lunch, and some Greek Vanilla Yogurt (1/2 cup) at night. I prioritized protein because I was cutting calories by a lot and didn't want to lose much muscle mass, if any. I'm stronger now than I was then, so I feel like mission accomplished, but I ate pretty much the same thing day in/day out for nearly 3 months as I eased into and out of that routine. The wisdom of that long-term I don't know. I didn't ever feel bad, and I don't look bad. Balanced and varied is something I'm trying to learn and move toward.
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For me it's pretty much:
Breakfast: 1/2 cup oats, cup of almond milk (juice*), 2 whole eggs, 4 egg whites, half avocado
Lunch: 12 oz chicken, 1/2 cup of white rice, half avocado
Dinner: Carb balance tortilla, 12 oz chicken, lettuce, tomato, and maybe some sour cream
Dinner CAN vary if someone wants to go grab some food or I go to my dads for dinner, but basically I'm a lazy fuck who does not want to cook every night so I make like 6-8 pounds of chicken at the beginning of the week and go from there. Also, sometimes my boss will buy lunch and that will add some variety but meh.
Puts me around 2300 calories and I'm trying to cut about 2 pounds a week right now. Went from 222 to 208 in a pretty short time. Possibly doing metabolic damage right now but fuck summer is right there and I can't be no soft "I'm bulking" bitch, girls don't care about my strength gains!!
Breakfast: 1/2 cup oats, cup of almond milk (juice*), 2 whole eggs, 4 egg whites, half avocado
Lunch: 12 oz chicken, 1/2 cup of white rice, half avocado
Dinner: Carb balance tortilla, 12 oz chicken, lettuce, tomato, and maybe some sour cream
Dinner CAN vary if someone wants to go grab some food or I go to my dads for dinner, but basically I'm a lazy fuck who does not want to cook every night so I make like 6-8 pounds of chicken at the beginning of the week and go from there. Also, sometimes my boss will buy lunch and that will add some variety but meh.
Puts me around 2300 calories and I'm trying to cut about 2 pounds a week right now. Went from 222 to 208 in a pretty short time. Possibly doing metabolic damage right now but fuck summer is right there and I can't be no soft "I'm bulking" bitch, girls don't care about my strength gains!!
So do it.
Doubtful that the timing of when you lift has a significant impact on anything. I see plenty of jacked regulars at night when I lift. If you're worried about being exhausted at work, lift at night. Either way, if you wanted to work on it, you could (hello weekend?). You didnt specify what else you're doing for core.
IMO core exercise isn't a big factor in getting the initial abs showing. I actually do very little core exercise outside of what I get tangentially from my other workouts and I've had my abs showing since the 8th grade. My old room mate worked out more than me and did seemingly endless core and he couldn't get his abs to show to save his life. It seems like a trap people fall into. If I really go after my core I can get better definition on my ab muscles but since you can't target fat release and the #1 important factor to visible abs is having no fat there you can do better fat burning workouts than a ton of planks and crunches.
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I'd have to amp my calories a lot to make sure my lifting is doing anything. I don't want to waste my time. If I'm going to lift I'm going to shift my diet and really make it count. I'm still targeting fat burn over muscle gain right now, but I'm considering a change of pace if I don't get the results I want by August. My schedule changes then, so I'll be able to make a more significant adjustment.
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You basically need to do just enough core per week (which as it is a baseline stabilizer for a lot of lifts, you end up getting work in doing basically everything) to have them not be mostly atrophied, and then it's GENETICS and bodyfat%. Abs are like calves; incredibly based upon genetics. The amount of work needed to overcome that is miles beyond simply having the genetics that stores fat behind the muscles. Not that you can be a tubbo and have visible abs, but it's more just how it is stored. Even at low bodyfat%, if you have more visceral fat than sub fat ratio-wise, your abs are going to be more visible than someone who has the ratio reversed. Not that having tons of excess visceral is good for you in the first place anyway (it's actually technically "worse" than just having a higher ratio of sub. fat) but if what little fat you do store is under the muscles, you're going to have better abs with much less effort.
The body doesn't really burn fat from specific areas by targeting them, but having at least developed enough muscles in an area can have a small effect. Otherwise... genetics =|
The body doesn't really burn fat from specific areas by targeting them, but having at least developed enough muscles in an area can have a small effect. Otherwise... genetics =|
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Tons of shit one can make to be varied. But I like cooking so there is that too.
Chicken fajita lettuce wraps. Fry up some chicken strips with fajita seasoning and chili powder in some golden olive nectar (marinade the chicken if pro version). Then when 80% done remove and put in a baking dish. Now fry up some onion and pepper slices, I used bells and poblano. Then put this into the baking dish as well. Cover with cheese and fresh lemon or lime juice and bake for 30 min or so. Then serve with a bit of salsa on a lettuce wrap, or tortilla if youre not into keto shit. You can make a huge batch of this shit using like 5lbs of chicken breast and it will last you for days.
Sausage and chicken slow cooker thing. Sort of like a gumbo but without the roux. Take a large ass salsa jar (or you can just use diced tomato cans too) and put the shit into a slow cooker. Add some fresh (or frozen) onion and peppers and okra, garlic of course. Then while thats all heating up in the slow cooker, fry up some chicken, or chicken parts bone in on a skillet ( I like bone in chicken for this). Then add them to slow cooker when browned. Add some chicken bouillon. Slice up some smoked sausage and then add that in there. Slow cook on high for 4-5 hours. Enjoy like a stew or over rice if youre not low carb. You can add hot peppers too if you like spicy.
Chicken soup with beef and chicken ft. shiritake noodles. Make chicken soup by boiling a whole chicken and add 3-4 large beef hocks or beef short ribs. Add some bullion for flavor. Then like a hour in, add the veggies, celery, onion, carrot, and fresh parsley chopped up. continue cooking for a hour or more until beef is tender I usually remove chicken before it falls apart. Spoon out the fat thats floating on top. Then serve over shiritake noodles. I usually add a teaspoon of chili garlic sauce, more fresh parsley, and some soy for a nice spicy asian flare. If leftover chicken, make a chicken salad with mayo, onion, celery....
And these are just off the top of my head which I ate all the time on keto. (still do) Not to mention the easy stir frys and grilling I did. You can be varied with your food, dudes.
Chicken fajita lettuce wraps. Fry up some chicken strips with fajita seasoning and chili powder in some golden olive nectar (marinade the chicken if pro version). Then when 80% done remove and put in a baking dish. Now fry up some onion and pepper slices, I used bells and poblano. Then put this into the baking dish as well. Cover with cheese and fresh lemon or lime juice and bake for 30 min or so. Then serve with a bit of salsa on a lettuce wrap, or tortilla if youre not into keto shit. You can make a huge batch of this shit using like 5lbs of chicken breast and it will last you for days.
Sausage and chicken slow cooker thing. Sort of like a gumbo but without the roux. Take a large ass salsa jar (or you can just use diced tomato cans too) and put the shit into a slow cooker. Add some fresh (or frozen) onion and peppers and okra, garlic of course. Then while thats all heating up in the slow cooker, fry up some chicken, or chicken parts bone in on a skillet ( I like bone in chicken for this). Then add them to slow cooker when browned. Add some chicken bouillon. Slice up some smoked sausage and then add that in there. Slow cook on high for 4-5 hours. Enjoy like a stew or over rice if youre not low carb. You can add hot peppers too if you like spicy.
Chicken soup with beef and chicken ft. shiritake noodles. Make chicken soup by boiling a whole chicken and add 3-4 large beef hocks or beef short ribs. Add some bullion for flavor. Then like a hour in, add the veggies, celery, onion, carrot, and fresh parsley chopped up. continue cooking for a hour or more until beef is tender I usually remove chicken before it falls apart. Spoon out the fat thats floating on top. Then serve over shiritake noodles. I usually add a teaspoon of chili garlic sauce, more fresh parsley, and some soy for a nice spicy asian flare. If leftover chicken, make a chicken salad with mayo, onion, celery....
And these are just off the top of my head which I ate all the time on keto. (still do) Not to mention the easy stir frys and grilling I did. You can be varied with your food, dudes.
If you're in the 7-10% range for bf..and think you need to lose even more bf..that seems strange to me. What exactly is your goal and why? What are your current measurements again (height/weight)?
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6' 160 lb. My goal when I started at 235 was to see my abs. It hasn't changed. I hoped to see them at 170, so my diet shifted around 180 to be much less extreme, and I've been inching down, but they're still not visible. I can see everything else, so I want to complete the package. I'm thinking 152 should be the absolute lowest I should ever go. If I can't see them at 155 I'm going to shift gears. I'm not losing much weight right now. I'm not anorexic. I'm just not as focused on weight loss as I was. I have a lot of priorities, and my health goal of hitting 170 was hit 2 months ago, so it's basically 100% vanity at this point to see if I can get some abs this summer.