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My fucking wife bought a new Kitchenaid mixer last month (old one we had was been broken for maybe 3 years) and suddenly has had the desire to start cranking out croissants, cookies, cakes all sorts of bullshit the past few weeks. I've been pretty good about having A cookie, or A (okay 3) croissants, but I think she's doing it out of sheer boredom. I'm about to "break" the new one and call it good. I'm really good about eating right if I'm not around stuff I like, but if it's there I have shit self control. Bleh...
 

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I think most people are like that. I literally have nothing but eggs, chicken, lean beef, rice, and vegetables in my house.

Ok, pasta and some other shit too, but you get the point!
 

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Fuck these losers. Eat even less. If you consumemore than 900 calories per day, flog yourself in penance. Smoke mini-thins to help with the cravings.
I've been doing 1100-1400 calories a day for the last two months. I've done intermittent fasting for over two years. Honestly I can't even tell a difference.

My issue is I have a hard time getting enough protein and fiber in that caloric count.
 

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I've been doing 1100-1400 calories a day for the last two months. I've done intermittent fasting for over two years. Honestly I can't even tell a difference.

My issue is I have a hard time getting enough protein and fiber in that caloric count.
Are you bed-ridden or something?
 

chaos

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I hate you.

At least I cut down on all the take out and restaurants. The kids have stopped complaining about how bad my cooking was. So there's that.
In the cooking thread we have some easy crock pot recipes that you would probably like.
 

AladainAF

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If you cut your intake down a ton, it means your body has less fuel to work with. You will 100% have side effects such as disorientation, lethargy and lack of energy, as well as possibly cognitive issues if you maintain an incredibly low calorie diet (referred to by some people who don't know what fasting is as "long term fasting") for any extended length of time.
I did get the "Keto-flu" as they call it. It lasted about a day. I was never disoriented but I felt like SHIT. I was very lethargic, just fucking miserable. I've heard it from many people that it happens, and I confirmed it with ketostix (only to make sure I was in fact going into ketosis). I slept for hours and hours that night. However, the day after it was MUCH better, and since then I have more energy than when I was consuming 3000+ calories a day. I have absolutely no hunger, and honestly zero cravings. In fact I don't even feel like eating, but I do because I must. My son is eating tons of things and it doesn't phase me. My wife is chinese and is scarfing down delicious rice.. and tons of great chinese dishes. I'm eating about 150 calories in the AM, 200-250 or so at lunch (including a massive vegetable intake), about 600-800 at dinner (huge shot of protein - fish, lean meat, etc, 8oz along with vegetables). I eat a snack about 2-3 hours before I go to bed that is about 150 cal or so. Doctor recommended I take potassium, calcium, magnesium, zinc, omega-3, and double dose multi-vitamin per day. Total carb intake is about 30, but over half of those are fiber and technically do not count.

But at no point will you not be burning energy, and if you continue to eat at a caloric deficit you will continue to lose weight. The myth originates from the fact that if you are super sedentary, you burn less calories. Having little to no energy coming into your system will make you feel sort of like shit and probably not be nearly as active as normal, so your needs decrease along with the loss of activity. This can lead to slightly decreased weight loss when compared to the same caloric deficit and a higher level of activity.
Correct. I only use ketostix to confirm ketosis, not the amount nor anything else (since they only detect acetone). I've been in keto since day 2 of diet. While I am over keto-flu and feel like I can move mountains and desperately want to go work out, if I do, I quickly become overwhelmed with the inability to continue. I assume this is because the body can't use fat as quickly as carbs for energy and you quite frankly just run out.

However, starvation mode as in "you are literally starving" and your body starts burning everything to keep you physically alive is most definitely a thing. It's part of why keto diets are a thing. Your body -always- goes after sugars in the body first as an energy source. When it runs out or starts getting incredibly low, it starts using fats at a higher percentage. When you start getting low as a percentage of intake/bodymass in fats, your body starts consuming proteins. This can lead to degradation of your muscle mass and strength if kept at a very low level and sufficient protein isn't consumed to counterbalance it. It's why ketosis is considered an inherently catabolic diet, as once the fats calories are burned and someone isn't morbidly obese, your body starts synthesizing proteins at a higher rate, which is where the catabolic effect comes from. It's why people with active lifestyles tend to consume more protein than sedentary people while on ketogenic diets as a rule, because to keep a moderate/low protein intake would put their physical strength at risk.
This is exactly what I've heard too. This is also why the diet I'm on is physician monitored too, and not just something I'm doing myself. I'm looking at what I am eating and I eat about.. 115-130 mg of protein a day minimum (depending on veggies this can go up to 140-150), 30 carbs (18 fiber from what I ate today and 6 are "Sugar Alcohol" which AFAIK you count half, so technically 9 carbs today. I have never felt "Starved" while doing this diet other than keto-flu. The cravings and desire to eat were CRAZY. Once you get over that, it's smooth sailing. Also I was technically a type 2 diabetic (barely) with A1C of 6.5. That also contributed to the "fuck this shit time to make changes" attitude heh.

I actually checked my notes, I wasn't down that many pounds as I mentioned (math fail) but still close (I said 16lb if I recall, it's just shy of 14).

Day 1: 309.6
Day 2: 307.8
Day 3: 304.8
Day 4: 302.0
Day 5: 299.8
Day 6: 297.6
Day 7: 296.0
Day 8: 294.8

I've tried this in the past, but getting the keto-flu truly feels like your body is in distress. You generally say fuck it and eat at that point, at least I did. And I would instantly feel better. This was the first time I actually got over that hump and I assure you that once you do, it's really smooth sailing from there. Obviously all bodies are different, but I have no doubt I'm going to be around 200lb by the end of the year, maybe less.
 

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I miss having a crock pot, think I'm gonna pick one up again pretty soon. You just can't beat throwing a bunch of shit in a pot, going to work and coming back to a hot meal.
 

AladainAF

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I'd just go for a slow carb decline, and dial it in as your health improves. Crazy Ivan diet changes are difficult to maintain.
The diet I'm on is Crazy Ivan until you lose your weight, then re-introduce carbs slowly, while learning to eat much more healthier. I guarantee I'm never going back to the way I was eating in the past. I can't believe I can look back now just 1 week into this thing and ask myself: "What the fuck was I thinking?"
 

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The diet I'm on is Crazy Ivan until you lose your weight, then re-introduce carbs slowly, while learning to eat much more healthier. I guarantee I'm never going back to the way I was eating in the past. I can't believe I can look back now just 1 week into this thing and ask myself: "What the fuck was I thinking?"
Amazing how that perspective changes!

I need to pick up some ketostix so I can make sure I'm in ketosis. Sometimes I feel I cheat a bit too much. Have a few too many fresh blackberries with breakfast, or too many times I take one bite of something, or I think oh shit, did I eat too many Almonds?

This is where MFP comes into play where if you track everything, you do alright. I get so lazy about it though, and after using it for years, I know what a Carb is and Carb isn't, and I'm not sure how I would log a lick of McDonalds icecream that my son had, or 3 blackberries, or a handful of blueberries.

I'm fluctuating a couple pounds right now between 323-325. Started this at 335, so basically lost my water weight, and now just hanging out. Same as exercise, where everyone tells you they have so much energy, I don't feel I really have all that much energy at all. Good sign that I'm not in ketosis, and my body is starving for energy due to low carbs. Just my luck, I'll be that dude that is super sensitive to carbs. Who knows. Time to do more logging on MFP and ketostix to get a better idea of what's going on with my body.
 

AladainAF

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Amazing how that perspective changes!

I need to pick up some ketostix so I can make sure I'm in ketosis. Sometimes I feel I cheat a bit too much. Have a few too many fresh blackberries with breakfast, or too many times I take one bite of something, or I think oh shit, did I eat too many Almonds?

This is where MFP comes into play where if you track everything, you do alright. I get so lazy about it though, and after using it for years, I know what a Carb is and Carb isn't, and I'm not sure how I would log a lick of McDonalds icecream that my son had, or 3 blackberries, or a handful of blueberries.

I'm fluctuating a couple pounds right now between 323-325. Started this at 335, so basically lost my water weight, and now just hanging out. Same as exercise, where everyone tells you they have so much energy, I don't feel I really have all that much energy at all. Good sign that I'm not in ketosis, and my body is starving for energy due to low carbs. Just my luck, I'll be that dude that is super sensitive to carbs. Who knows. Time to do more logging on MFP and ketostix to get a better idea of what's going on with my body.
Ketostix are somewhat useless but they are good really just to make sure you're entering ketosis or still in it (if fairly recently went into it). However, you should feel it. Your body creates 3 types of "keto" things. Only one (acetone) can be detected in urine which is what the stix use. However, i believe this decreases over time and eventually you dont create acetone anymore but instead create the other two so the stix at that point are misleading.

I have not exercised much at all, because I just get whipped. I have walked my street a bit, but it's a weird feeling. I feel like I can move mountains, I have more energy than I ever thought possible before. But the moment I start really using it (brisk walk, or even walking a flight or two of stairs) I feel about ~5-10 seconds of fatigue. Once I stop I'm fine. I can continue, until the next fatigue hit. It's strange.

Just get through that keto-flu stage. You can do it. I swear, once you're over it, it is smooth sailing. It's just your brain begging you for carbs.

The keto flu: symptoms and relief - Low carb food list

edit: also my diet is extremely strict. Other than eating about 5 carbs worth of ranch dressing on a salad at a time I had absolutely no choice, I have followed the diet 100% perfectly. This includes not eating a single lick of ice cream or a single shread of fruit.

A few other tips to sedate my cravings and other tips:

1. Subway is your friend for dinner. You can get anything without bread, and they make it into a salad. Try to avoid the fatty meats (eg: Salami/Pepperoni but you can occasionally without fear and without that being a cheat). You can stockpile the spinach, brocolli, olives, mushrooms, and such though careful on tomatoes (I wouldn't recommend more than 2-3 slices of tomatos). I get double meat and have them put it on the side. I get no dressing (Sadly, even their spicy mustard has carbs surprisingly). However, I LOVE spicy mustard, so I get Grey Poupon instead,which has zero carbs. Take the meat and smother it with grey poupon, and then put a shitload of veggies in it and wrap it up like a burrito. It's tiny, yes. But you can make about 15-20 of those if you do it right and it's more than filling and quite delicious.

2. No soda of any kind, including diet. Almost all sodas contain phosphoric acid, which is really strong and can build up on your fat making them slightly more difficult to break up into energy resulting in not as much efficiency in what gets broken down. While you can get away with diet sodas, this might make you feel less than optimal. Read #3 if this makes you sad.

3. In lieu of soda, GET CRYSTAL LIGHT. That stuff has saved me, seriously. It contains very little calories (5), and no carbs, and obv no phosphoric acid. It is a solid and complete replacement for regular water, if you wish. Make sure though the label says 0 carbs and not <1 carbs. Otherwise, you will drink a few carbs worth. Need caffiene? They make crystal light with caffiene added as well. Do you want a soda? Put it in a bottle of Pellegrino or some other quality sparkling water. Want cream soda? Buy some sugar free vanilla syrup,this is what I getand use it in it. You can also use it for coffee and it too has zero calories, and zero carbs.

4.Walden Farms productsare amazing,for what they are. They have a HUGE selection of things too. Sadly, many of them are disgusting, especially the peanut butter and mayo, but some of them are not too awful and almost all their stuff is ZERO fat, ZERO carbs, and ZERO calories.I use their ranch dressing, and find it definitely edible though it does taste a little strong of vinegar, but you have to keep this in context: It's 0.. everything.. for RANCH DRESSING. I've been told the thousand island is the best, but I hate that dressing in general so I don't get it. The trick is to find the products you like, and then.. fucking pour it on. The downside is it's expensive as FUCK ($8 for a small bottle on amazon) but some wal-marts and krogers seem to carry it at a reasonable price.

5. Keep a realistic vision: Much of the population eats horrible shit and we want to eat things because they are GOOD TASTING. We have molded our food appetites for things that taste good. This is fine, but it is not a realistic thing for a long-term solution. You can still eat good tasting foodonce you lose all your weight, but you should incorporate good things in it. eg: A quiche in the morning made with (mostly) egg whites, cheese, bacon... and spinach, crumbled brocolli, and mushrooms. Generally, things not good for you will be delicious, and things good for you won't be delicious. Therefore, it's hard, but try to be creative. Order a cookbook for very low carb recipes or get creative. For example, if you hate spinach, boil some any way, and then use a ninja to blend your morning protein shake and put the spinach in it. Mix it up, and you won't even taste or see the spinach.

6. Avoid fruits. They are full of sugar. They are good for you, but you shouldn't eat them until you've obtained your weight goal. Avoid corn. Corn is also good, but not while losing weight. Wait until you can manage it. Avoid cheese and other dairy (other than a littlemilkfor coffee "creamer" if you need). This stings for me, but cheese while low/zero carb is much higher in fat. If you get an amazing urge for cheese and just MUST cheat, go for it, but don't gorge and try to limit yourself to sedate the craving.

7. Don't weigh yourself daily if you feel like you will lose confidence in the diet. Otherwise, go for it.

8. I have a protein shake for breakfast, a small lunch, usually a chicken soup made with a thick broth (no flour, though!) and chicken pieces and I pour it over a bed of veggies. For dinner, I get raw protein, like a lean steak over veggies, or cauliflour rice, etc. 2-3 hours before bed, a small snack (like a atkins bar). That's ALL. Don't eat more if you can help it. You should be no more than 1,400 calories MAX for the day.

9. If you are like me and CRAVE sushi, you need to make your own in a very creative way, but it is sadly also very difficult. Use cauliflower rice. It's not really rice, it's just raw cauliflower grated into little pieces like rice. If you manage to keep it stuck together, great! Be aware that seaweed contains some carbs, but it's so neglible I think you'll be fine. I believe one "roll" contains 2 carbs at the max. Wasabi and soy sause is fine, but don't overkill on the wasabi.

10. You need supplements. A keto diet is going to deprive your body of things like biotin, Vitamin C, potassium, and such you get from fruits and other foods you will no longer be eating. My doctor said to take a double-dose, but YMMV.

11. Need sugar? Use stevia, but make sure you get it without erythritol. Not all stevia is equal! That adds some carbs, very few, and they are sugar alcohols... but really, its unnecessary. Get something like sweetleaf stevia from amazon.

12. If it's zero carb, zero fat, and zero (or just a couple) calories per serving, feel free to gorge as long as there isnt a hidden danger (like 600mg sodium).
 

Gilgamel

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Are you bed-ridden or something?
No, I work 55 hours a week and lift every single day. I just want to lose all my weight in less than a year instead of 1.5 lbs a week like I had been doing.

Once I get under 200 lbs at 6-4 I'll go back to a normal intake and build more muscle.
 

chaos

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No, I work 55 hours a week and lift every single day. I just want to lose all my weight in less than a year instead of 1.5 lbs a week like I had been doing.

Once I get under 200 lbs at 6-4 I'll go back to a normal intake and build more muscle.
ohh, hah yeah I misread your post as you doing 1400 calories per day for the past 2 years instead of 2 months. I was trying to figure out how you're not like a 90 pound waif.
 

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if you are just going to eat deli meat slathered with mustard, why in the world would you go to Subway for that? supermarket bro.

(apple honey ham+dijon is delicious.) hrm... apple honey probably has carbs/ more calories then regular ham, doesn't it...
 
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Crone just one thing. With Type2 diabetes you really want to watch your ketones a bit more closely than other. If you go into Diabetic Ketoacidosis (DKA) it could be fatal.
 

mkopec

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You dont need keto stiks, you can tell when your piss smells like cat barf. Also aladin keto is not just eating meat and veggies, you need to eat fat as well, its more along the lines of 40%protein 60% fat and all the low carb veggies you can eat and obviously keep the carbs as low as possible. Some need to go as low as 20-30g but others can go as high as 100-150g, it all depends on your body and also how active you are.Remember your body has a process of converting protein into sugar its called gluconeogenesis. So if you eat too much protein, the excess is converted into glucose.People miss this and this is crucial. When in keto your bodys fuel is fat, and you need to feed it fat. Some methods are like adding a teaspoon of butter to your fried eggs, or when you make that chili, do not rain off to much of the fat. remember to eat god fat too, omega 3 instead of omega 6, shit like palm oil, coco butter, fish, sardines, mackrel.

The only negs I have ever experienced being on keto for about a year now is cramps. What Ive read is to keep your salt intake higher and supplement with potassium and magnesium, shit that is lacking in keto diets.

One good way to get potassium is good old fashioned chicken soup, but simmer them bones for extra time, then the broth is infused with the potassium you need. Or bone broth. But this takes longer to extract the potassium from the beef bones, you need to simmer that shit for 4-6 hours. Just get some beef bones, like neck, or ox tail and make a beef broth with a bit of carrot, onion and celery. You can then add this "stock" to other foods for flavor too. Most grocery stores now sell shiritake noodles. They are made from some root that basically your body cannot digest. So its like a 100% fiber filler, obviously not the same texture as regular noodles, but it does the trick if you want that chicken noodle soup. I make a sort of asian spin and add some chili garlic paste (sambal oleek) and make that shit spicy.

Ive never been constipated on keto, not saying it does not happen to others, its just that I have never experienced it, like I said only cramps. Usually at night.
 

Itlan

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1. My piss didn't smell on keto.
2. My breath did, for a while.
3. Constipation definitely hit me because I barely ate vegetables. Ugh, it was the worst. Never again.
 

AladainAF

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if you are just going to eat deli meat slathered with mustard, why in the world would you go to Subway for that? supermarket bro.

(apple honey ham+dijon is delicious.) hrm... apple honey probably has carbs/ more calories then regular ham, doesn't it...
Well, I probably should have prefaced it with "If you're in a position where you need fast food" like a dinner during a long road trip away from home. That was more my intent. Ideally, you would pack your own dinner knowing this, but there should always be alternatives just in case.
 

mkopec

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Well, I probably should have prefaced it with "If you're in a position where you need fast food" like a dinner during a long road trip away from home. That was more my intent. Ideally, you would pack your own dinner knowing this, but there should always be alternatives just in case.
Good one is mcdonalds sausage egg mcmuffin, toss the mcmuffin out the window and eat the sausage and egg. They sell breakfast all day long now too.