Weight Loss Thread

Itlan · Jul 28, 2016

Just drink a gallon of whole milk pussies.

AladainAF · Jul 28, 2016

mkopec_sl said:
You dont need keto stiks, you can tell when your piss smells like cat barf.

lol, haven't noticed that in mine, but I did have the awful taste in mouth from it since you breathe out acetone also. I am also a "barely" type-2, had a 6.5 A1C my last blood test (which also contributed to the "fuck man, it's time to fix this shit" attitude) so the stix are also for a piece of mind that my body can handle keto fine, I don't want to accidentally -acidosis.

Also aladin keto is not just eating meat and veggies, you need to eat fat as well, its more along the lines of 40%protein 60% fat and all the low carb veggies you can eat and obviously keep the carbs as low as possible. Some need to go as low as 20-30g but others can go as high as 100-150g, it all depends on your body and also how active you are.Remember your body has a process of converting protein into sugar its called gluconeogenesis. So if you eat too much protein, the excess is converted into glucose.People miss this and this is crucial. When in keto your bodys fuel is fat, and you need to feed it fat. Some methods are like adding a teaspoon of butter to your fried eggs, or when you make that chili, do not rain off to much of the fat. remember to eat god fat too, omega 3 instead of omega 6, shit like palm oil, coco butter, fish, sardines, mackrel.

Thanks for advice, and yes you're right, and I probably should have made it more clear. Personally, I don't eat more than 8oz of dinner protein, the body is pretty amazing at turning shit into glucose

. And at dinner, the fat is there -- It's nice to keep it lean, though, at least I feel - but I wholeheartedly agree that fat is absolutely necessary in a healthy diet. When I said things like zero fat things, that was more for the "additional" things. I am still eating far less fat than the past, but I'll stop at Rudys BBQ and eat half a chicken (including skin) for example for a dinner (with veggies). Overall, though I've found myselfdefinitelyeating more fish than meats at dinner anyway. I also do take Omega-3 supplements as well among other things.

The only negs I have ever experienced being on keto for about a year now is cramps. What Ive read is to keep your salt intake higher and supplement with potassium and magnesium, shit that is lacking in keto diets.

I can confirm this. My doctor specifically told me that about 3-4 days into keto to start saltingeverythingwith sea salt because on a keto diet, the kidneys will rapidly remove sodium. I didn't ask specifics of why though, so I don't know. He also told me specifically that if I was cramping anywhere or getting headaches (after the keto-flu), I wasn't salting enough.

Ive never been constipated on keto, not saying it does not happen to others, its just that I have never experienced it, like I said only cramps. Usually at night.

Same here: Though I've never had cramps either. Granted, though, only on day 9 now. I am pretty sure the multi-vitamins, zinc, calcium, potassium, and magnesium supplements are helping on that.

Day 9: 292.4

Mures · Jul 28, 2016

Warmuth_sl said:
Holy shit, I've got nothing to add to any of this. The lengths you guys go to are insane.

And its really unnecessary. Literally just stop eating out several times a week and cook your own food/stop eating processed crap.

AladainAF · Jul 28, 2016

mures_sl said:
And its really unnecessary. Literally just stop eating out several times a week and cook your own food/stop eating processed crap.

True to a (large) extent. I am most DEFINITELY not one of those fat deniers. I'm fully aware I did this to myself (which is why I'm taking personal responsibility to fix it too) and am not blaming it on any kind of thyroid or anything and I know being a fatass is extremely unhealthy... but I did cook for myself almost exclusively and rarely used anything processed. We grow a lot of our own foods, in fact. Being blessed to be a damn good cook (or so my wife tells me) I generally prefer cooking to eating out and running my own business I have no time pressures to ever be forced to grab something quick.

With that said, I believe that no doctor out there that is going to tell someone obese what you just said. When you're 310lb like I was,anyweight loss is a net positive on your health and I can't imagine any doctor being opposed to that. Even going from 309 to 292 like I have in the last week and a half has been an absolute boon on my health and I know it and when I hit 200lb that will be life-changing and laugh all you want at me but I don't think I could have done that personally without some kind of structure in the diet. I've tried different things in the past, and a keto-diet has been the only thing that's really worked for me. You can always say "Just get out there and exercise and drop from 4000 to 2000 calories a day", but honestly most obese people are simply not going to do that. I exercised a bit, but not enough to make any meaningful difference.

If people like myself find another route that works for us, such as the keto-diet, its still a net positive on our health. It also helps in a mental state, feeling much more appreciative of who you are, and I guarantee you once I'm 200lb I'll be back into a workout regimen like I was 15 years ago and honestly, it will be much easier. Lugging around 200lb is much easier than 310, I imagine.

tl;dr: You're right, but some things don't work for everyone, and in the realm of weight loss, any weight loss is a net positive on ones health (I suppose so long as you're not starving yourself to death).

Mures · Jul 28, 2016

I mean, I'm not against it, I just think its unnecessary. But do whatever works for you. I just find it odd, maybe its the gamer mentality here, that the ppl posting in this thread are like if I'm careful with my x and maintain my z while doing my micros and watching my macros I've calculated I'll lose 26.8 lbs, so its almost as if I've lost the weight already. Its just not that complicated, just stop eating 3000 calories of crap a day whilst doing absolutely nothing.

Having had been obese literally my entire life I'm just very anti-diet. I find they do not work as it makes things more complicated than they need to be setting yourself up for failure and you're guaranteed to gain all weight loss back once it fails. But I agree not everyone is the same, I certainly have had different life experiences growing up super obese. People who did not may need a strict eating regimen to stay on track. Whatever you do, you have to stick with it; I find that easier to do when you can eat basically whatever you want.

Itlan · Jul 28, 2016

Well if you lift, you need to watch your macros. Cause otherwise you suck and will get kicked from your PUG.

chaos · Jul 28, 2016

A little of it is the gamer in me, I think. I need strict rules, otherwise I'm going to operate within the expanded ruleset I'm given. If the rules are explicit about no carbs and shit, then I'm operating in a sans carbs environment and it is easier for me to make decisions.

We went out at work to a beer/Pizza place a couple of weeks ago. Normally I would have just said fuck it and indulged, instead I stayed within my rules etc. I had a salad with grilled tuna, got ribbed for being a pussy, then we all moved on. Been doing that a lot. And it is really working well.

Noodleface · Jul 28, 2016

Been a bad week this week, expecting negative results.

Mures · Jul 28, 2016

Week is not over yet noodlebro!

Caliane · Jul 28, 2016

Daily weigh ins not super impressive here, over the last week. seemed to be stable hovering 185, with one 184. This morning a notable drop to 182. Maybe hoping for 5lbs/week is unrealistic. Too much food cutting seems to directly cut into ability to exercise. but again, hard to tell if its food energy or heat wave causing fatigue.

Noodleface · Jul 28, 2016

You guys that weigh in daily are nuts

Itlan · Jul 28, 2016

chaos_sl said:
A little of it is the gamer in me, I think. I need strict rules, otherwise I'm going to operate within the expanded ruleset I'm given. If the rules are explicit about no carbs and shit, then I'm operating in a sans carbs environment and it is easier for me to make decisions.

We went out at work to a beer/Pizza place a couple of weeks ago. Normally I would have just said fuck it and indulged, instead I stayed within my rules etc. I had a salad with grilled tuna, got ribbed for being a pussy, then we all moved on. Been doing that a lot. And it is really working well.

Yeah I always indulge. I never pass up free food or drinks, just dial it in outside of that.

I'm also not operating in the same parameters as most of you I guess.

AladainAF · Jul 28, 2016

Noodleface_sl said:
You guys that weigh in daily are nuts

It's a motivator! But if you are the type who would quit your diet on a negative result, like I siad in my post on the previous page, then dont! Oh, and it's interesting, I had an official weigh in at my doctors office this AM, and now my fat % is what they thought it would be before losing the weight (It was way too low when I started the diet). Maybe I had eaten something at that time that was giving a bad reading, but everything here looks more accurate, he says:

Weight 292.6
BMI 36.6
Fat % 32.2
Fat mass 94.2lb (25-55.6lb optimal)
FFM 198.4lb
Muscle Mass 188.8lb
TBW 138.6lb
TBW % 47.4%
Bone Mass 9.6lb
BMR 11569 kJ (2765 kcal)
Visceral Fat Rating 14
Ideal Weight: 176.0
Degree of Obesity 66.3%

Still looks like shit, but each week should improve.

Ossoi · Jul 28, 2016

AladainAF_sl said:
You should be no more than 1,400 calories MAX for the day.

Look, it's great that you want to lose weight but you're 7 days in - can you wait until ummm you've been doing this a while and reached your goal weight before you start giving out shitty advice?

According to a TDEE calculator, someone at 292lbs and doing no exercise burns requires 2700 calories a day just to maintain their weight.

Calories Needed for a 34 year old, 292 lb Male

There is no reason to drop your calories that much. Sure, you might lose weight quicker but I would think a diet of 2000-2200 calories is far easier to adhere to.

Also, don't obese people that drop weight too quick have problems with stretch marks and saggy skin?

Crone · Jul 28, 2016

So much information flooding this thread.

I'm either out of ketosis, and into keto-adaption (sp?) or I've knocked myself out of, and stayed out of ketosis for a few days now through too many "just 1 bite cheats", as I described, or too much protein, turning into glucose. Not sure at this point.

I don't mind weighing myself daily, but if I forget, and have clothes on already in the morning, I just skip that day. In that respect, my weigh-ins are at least consistent. Always in the morning, always after morning piss. Sometimes I know the morning shits are coming and I'll wait, just to make sure I'm not weighing that too!

I definitely need to invest more into some deli meat, as lunch at work is getting extremely boring. Love mustard! Been doing chicken and/or tuna salad with Mayo and Mustard salt/pepper. Usually some hot sauce of some kind. Make that shit spicy. I need to start taking supplements for sure.

I've had the headaches, a couple times, which is out of the ordinary for me. Not really cramps, but I think getting supplements into my diet will help a lot.

Thanks for all the information guys. Long live the cat barf smelling piss diet!! haha

chaos · Jul 28, 2016

Ossoi_sl said:
Look, it's great that you want to lose weight but you're 7 days in - can you wait until ummm you've been doing this a while and reached your goal weight before you start giving out shitty advice?

According to a TDEE calculator, someone at 292lbs and doing no exercise burns requires 2700 calories a day just to maintain their weight.

Calories Needed for a 34 year old, 292 lb Male

There is no reason to drop your calories that much. Sure, you might lose weight quicker but I would think a diet of 2000-2200 calories is far easier to adhere to.

Also, don't obese people that drop weight too quick have problems with stretch marks and saggy skin?

I'm not a lawyer and only a shitty internet doctor, but I read a study saying that when people lose weight too quickly they are more prone to put the weight back on. Like, 100% fail rate.

Rezz · Jul 28, 2016

AlAF was clearly swollen as F internally and is in the process of depleting it, though he's (according to his numbers) averaging more than double the weight loss he should at absolute most per day even with that taken into consideration. At 0 intake, he is only using at most 3500 calories of energy a day (almost guaranteed less) so 1lb -max- lost a day. Him 18lbs lower at 9 days in says to me that there has to be something else major going on. He's not at 0 intake, and while I still heavily question a hard number of 1400 as a "max" for his intake and not feeling hungry (a literal half of the caloric intake required to maintain weight at his size and clearly of an entirely different composition) if the numbers are correct there still has to be something else. 18lbs in 9 days is not normal, and regardless how abnormal his fat% is, I'm seriously confused how his doctor is signing off on this.

If he's still losing anywhere even close to 4lbs a week after a few weeks? There's going to be flaps. Flaps everywhere. Though I would imagine that would be the least of his concerns if that trajectory continues. That's serious health issue weightloss.

Gilgamel · Jul 29, 2016

Itlan_sl said:
You want to weigh less than 200 at 6'4?

... why?

Two reasons:

1) I haven't been under 200 since I was like 11 and I want to do it, just to do it.

2) I will probably have to have some excess skin removed in my stomach and I want to lean out entirely before doing so. I think 230 or so will be my final cruising weight the rest of my life. I was over 450 at my highest, still 150 lbs or so to go to hit 200. I want to do it in 8 months if possible.

Rezz · Jul 29, 2016

That's almost 20lbs a month. That's such a huge negative without a doctor giving you weekly or bi-weekly "hey here is how everything is going!" type talk. If you are honestly planning on that rate of weightloss, I would immediately consult a doctor. If you already are, obviously ignore me because i'm not a doctor. I have, however, spent a shitload of time working in the food industry and have had dozens of seminars on health and weightloss and anorexia (Btw, California colleges are fucking horrible at handling anorexia. They ignore it in 99% of situations, when it is hilariously Skeletor obvious.) and their effects on the body, and I've consulted with three different UC nutrition programs over the years.

I completely understand the desire to lose weight at the best rate possible. But that is a crazy ass weightloss regimen that makes no sense, especially given your bodysize. Unless a doctor has informed you that "Hey dawg? You'ze a dedman in tree monts if ya do'n cut ya calorhees, whooaaaaaaoooaaaaa" or something similar, you really might want to re-think this 350-200 in 8m plan.

You gettin some gastric bypass action or something?

Gilgamel · Jul 29, 2016

I'm not going to die on 1200 calories a day. I've done 12-1500 for about 10 weeks and I'm fine. Doing it for 40 won't kill me. I don't drink calories(and haven't for about a year) and I don't eat fast food unless I'm in a social setting at a bar or something.

If I'm sore I take a day off from lifting. If I get lethargic I'll reassess my diet. I'm not an idiot. I'm just ready to put the fat phase of my life behind me, and I've been in a hypermotivated mindset for about a year now at work and I've just decided to turn that energy toward ending this shit. As long as my strength stays roughly the same all the way down(I do[email protected]/* <![CDATA[ */!function(t,e,r,n,c,a,p){try{t=document.currentScript||function(){for(t=document.getElementsByTagName('script'),e=t.length;e--

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All I care about is results. As long as I feel good and I'm losing I could care less.

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