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Ethnicity, as measured in that data, is cultural not genetic. There are like 5-10 distinct genetic groups within "Hispanic". The genetic diversity within the "Black" ethnicity is greater than that between any other groups of humans anywhere on Earth. That data also says nothing about racial mixing. Everyone is fat outside Asians, and even those populations are trending heavily to obesity as their cultures acclimate to shitty Western diets of convenience. If we're concerned about mixing we should all have half-Asian kids to make the next generation slimmer and smarter.
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Edaw
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My belief is that genetics determines behavior, while environment reinforces or discourages it.
I could be wrong.
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80's kids didn't invent shitty lifestyle choices, but 70 years ago, people had more physical jobs, went outside for entertainment, and actually ate real food.
Also, do people actually think that behavior is fully independent of genetics??
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Not a single person said that they wholly believe that genetics doesnt have an impact. We just dont believe it has any significant amount of impact.Also, do people actually think that behavior is fully independent of genetics??
If you guys want to believe that genetics is the main culprit for some people and not explain how you came to that conclusion, by all means - keep up the good fight. But everything I can think of is just you and the cave man part of your brain fighting it out. Genetics doesnt pull the fork to your mouth.
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zombiewizardhawk
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The only pair of twins i've known IRL were 2 sisters in high school and they were not fat, and were in fact quite attractive.
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What if your willpower or ability to critically think were dependent on genetics?
Not all fat people, i know. Just asking questions.
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The variance within any particular genetic group is so large compared to the average differences between groups that for a specific individual it's not useful information.
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So it's only bad parenting that makes preschoolers eat the marshmallow I guess?
Stanford marshmallow experiment - Wikipedia
I guess it's just bad parenting that results in low iq, addictive personalities, risk seeking behavior, etc.?
We're all ultimately responsible for our own behavior, but it's insane to think that genetics isn't a major factor when looking at population-level averages.
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Gurgeh
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It's not, just rewind your lifestyle to what it was a century ago and everything is gone.So it's only bad parenting that makes preschoolers eat the marshmallow I guess?
Stanford marshmallow experiment - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
I guess it's just bad parenting that results in low iq, addictive personalities, risk seeking behavior, etc.?
We're all ultimately responsible for our own behavior, but it's insane to think that genetics isn't a major factor when looking at population-level averages.
It’s a cultural thing. Obesity is 42% in the USA it was close to 0 barely 70 years ago, it’s only 17% in France. The deciding factor is cultural, genetics only play a minor role that everyone can pull through.
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Social pressure is a HUGE reason, you got made fun of if you were fat. Asians have IMMENSE social pressure to not be fat.
I'm not French and have only visited France a few times, but there seems to be social cohesion there that we don't have in America - you guys are French and proud of it. Does that translate into more social pressure to not be a fatass?
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There is one, yeah just one, fat kid in my kid’s class. She's first grade. Some kids are clearly picking on her. She's not even massively obese, just overweight.
I think it’s not a french thing, it’s a thing in Latin Countries, Spain, France, Portugal, Italy,.. Northen European countries like to call us lazy, but it’s a little more complicated than that. In southern europe we're still very much fat=lazy=fuck off. People are definitely less lazy when it comes to personnal health, be it through exercice and through what we eat.
I think we're past the peak in France, especialy among.middle class and above.
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Obesity and the Brain: Correlation Between IQ and Obesity
The effects on obesity on physical health is widely known; however, we're starting to learn how it affects the human brain, too.
psychcentral.com
To be clear, I'm not calling anyone here in this thread low IQ. There is something that distinguishes people who give a shit about losing weight and those who don't. I doubt people who don't give a shit bother to read weight loss threads.
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What I find hilarious is that you're putting your belief in this short sighted "study" that ignores other scholarly publications on the exact same issue. You know what dumb people have in common with fat people? (Edit: Low Income, specifically in the US.) Everything in that entire circle comes back to poverty. Poor people have been eating low nutritional food for probably 1000's of years now. While affluent, wealthy people have had fruits, meats, vegetables multiple times a day. If I need to explain the rest of that bread crumb trail to you, then by all means ask away.Obesity and the Brain: Correlation Between IQ and Obesity
The effects on obesity on physical health is widely known; however, we're starting to learn how it affects the human brain, too.
To be clear, I'm not calling anyone here in this thread low IQ. There is something that distinguishes people who give a shit about losing weight and those who don't. I doubt people who don't give a shit bother to read weight loss threads.
But here, dont take my word for it. You linked something from a newsletter website that pushes ads. So how about we link an actual scholastic journal dialing in the real culprit to what you are talking about.
Poverty and Obesity in the U.S - PMC
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
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poverty/obesity =/= iq/obesityWhat I find hilarious is that you're putting your belief in this short sighted "study" that ignores other scholarly publications on the exact same issue. You know what dumb people have in common with fat people? Poverty / Low Income. Everything in that entire circle comes back to poverty. Poor people have been eating low nutritional food for probably 1000's of years now. While affluent, wealthy people have had fruits, meats, vegetables multiple times a day. If I need to explain the rest of that bread crumb trail to you, then by all means ask away.
But here, dont take my word for it. You linked something from a newsletter website that pushes ads. So how about we link an actual scholastic journal dialing in the real culprit to what you are talking about.
Poverty and Obesity in the U.S - PMC
The linked article listed 8 sources across multiple multi-decade studies. Not sure what to tell you.