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It seems to be more efficient than workout coaches expects.
No sources to cite or anything, but I suspect that some minimal baseline of activity flips some epigenetic switches (or probably more accurately, it unflips some that are caused by being too sedentary). Something like "hibernation mode - lets try not to starve over winter" to "oh shit, today we need to stalk some prey for 20 miles or we'll starve".
 
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That extra 20 pounds you mention in your grocery trip.. thats kind of where my heads been at lately. Ive lost so much weight that even though Im doing roughly the same amount of work - Im not getting the same workout I "used" to. Ive considered getting a weighted vest and wearing that... but where? around the gym? I can see it helping me if I get on the treadmill as that would burn an extra ~25% in calories (roughly) with like 60 pounds additional weight. But .. it just seems so over the top tow ear anywhere else? Or maybe I could just do smaller weight on a smaller vest that I can wear under a shirt? maybe?...

Or I could just be day dreaming altogether and I'd hate it as soon as I bought it.
 

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No sources to cite or anything, but I suspect that some minimal baseline of activity flips some epigenetic switches (or probably more accurately, it unflips some that are caused by being too sedentary). Something like "hibernation mode - lets try not to starve over winter" to "oh shit, today we need to stalk some prey for 20 miles or we'll starve".
There this video which is interesting, summing up a few studies :



The bottom line, is, if you're sitting more than 14 hours a day, exercice benefit is massively reduced (or even non-existant).

Anyway, as I said, I went rather slowly, improved my diet for 1 year, lost most of the fat then, then I hit a plateau, then increased my walking progressively (from about 7k steps a day to 22k a day over 3 years) didn't lose much weight, but gained quite a lot of muscle, a lot of energy AND much better sleep. My plan in the next couple of months is to add 2 hours a week of higher intensity exercices and that will probably all I can reasonably manage. Probably 1 hour of running and 1 hour of resistance training and maintain ~20k steps.
 
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There this video which is interesting, summing up a few studies :



The bottom line, is, if you're sitting more than 14 hours a day, exercice benefit is massively reduced (or even non-existant).

Interesting video. When I moved out of the US, I went from basically zero activity to walking a ton (relatively speaking at least) and probably higher quality food too, but I never lost much weight though. I always found that really strange, but this might explain some of it.
 

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It’s not 2.5 hours, it works like this : go drop / pick up the kids, use a car 20 mn, 0 steps. Walk : 30 mn 3k steps. Groceries same, and you get to walk back with 20 pounds, etc.. so it's more like one extra hour to reach those 20k when optimizing.

I'm minimizing the time I sit, one hour of workout barely compensate 6 hours of sitting in a day, iirc, like ACM or cardiovascular health for 8 hours sitting is the same as 14 hours + 1 hour workout. Most of the days I sit less than 4 hours.

Ask our local doctor @Izo , too much sitting, deadly! I thought I would lose weight, and I did, but I didn’t expect to gain that much muscles. It seems to be more efficient than workout coaches expects.
Organic walking like that when you can walk places you actually needed to go anyway is great. There are people who "go for a walk" for 2 hours to burn calories which is silly, you could do a lot better activities. But if you were going there anyway and choose to walk, that is great for your health... *in addition to* regular weight training and cardio work.
 
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That extra 20 pounds you mention in your grocery trip.. thats kind of where my heads been at lately. Ive lost so much weight that even though Im doing roughly the same amount of work - Im not getting the same workout I "used" to. Ive considered getting a weighted vest and wearing that... but where? around the gym? I can see it helping me if I get on the treadmill as that would burn an extra ~25% in calories (roughly) with like 60 pounds additional weight. But .. it just seems so over the top tow ear anywhere else? Or maybe I could just do smaller weight on a smaller vest that I can wear under a shirt? maybe?...

Or I could just be day dreaming altogether and I'd hate it as soon as I bought it.
Go lift weights. Seriously.
 
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Go lift weights. Seriously.
This, and you don't have to go crazy to see a lot of benefit. Also, re: weight vest: over priced and restricts breathing more than you initially realize. I've been throwing ~20lbs in a backpack when I go out to walk. It does help that my neighborhood is pretty hilly. But back to lifting, pretty sure I posted this earlier. It's a great set of exercises you can knock out in 20-30 minutes. If you aren't giving yourself any rest between exercises/stages, you can definitely get decently winded.

It's a little unclear in a couple spots in the video, but this is pretty much what they do. Adjust to your needs.
SetExerciseReps AReps BWeight
1Push ups1210body
1Dumbbell row (2-arm)141025
2Dubbell lateral raise1597.5
2Squat1210body
3Lying dumbbell curl1087.5
3Lying dumbbell skullcrusher1087.5
3Stiff legged deadlift1087.5

 

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Go lift weights. Seriously.
I've put my workout schedule on here. I lift.. trust. I feel like a teenage Kyle, angsty as shit, if I dont lift.

More directly stated - Im curious if I would see any significant benefit in wearing the weighted vest while lifting weights, and not just during cardio. Seems a bit overkill for the 15 minutes I spring on the treadmill 3x's a week. I'm trying to talk myself out of purchasing the vest, I guess.
 

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I've put my workout schedule on here. I lift.. trust. I feel like a teenage Kyle, angsty as shit, if I dont lift.

More directly stated - Im curious if I would see any significant benefit in wearing the weighted vest while lifting weights, and not just during cardio. Seems a bit overkill for the 15 minutes I spring on the treadmill 3x's a week. I'm trying to talk myself out of purchasing the vest, I guess.
I don't see the purpose in a weighted vest unless you're doing some kind of spartan race or obstacle course and want to use it for training.

For normal fitness I'd do HIIT, yoga, lift weights, and touch grass.

For clarity I don't mean lift weights like some olympic powerlifter. If you can go 3x a week I'd do a chest/back day 2x and a leg day 1 time since your other exercises will work your legs for a second hit during the week. Do relatively light weights (the number is meaningless, it's volume and time under tension that matters) and lift relatively quickly.

I have never seen a weighted vest used in any training scenario other than very specific cross-country ones.
 
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I am at an Italian buffet getting ready to ruin all my work with grief binge eating again
 
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Not sure if I'm in wrong thread, but i don't remember posting in eight losing or anything.

Costco now has their own powder. How shit does this look for $48

I still struggle with eating enough protein. I really have days where I'm at like 10-15g.
 

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I still struggle with eating enough protein. I really have days where I'm at like 10-15g.

That's SUPER low. Are you maybe misunderstanding what counts and how to measure? I get more protein than that by accident. It's trivial to get 75g+ just by eating "real food". If 10-15g is an accurate figure, I'd address your diet WAY before trying to supplement, just for general health reasons.

For example:

Breakfast - 1 cup oatmeal + fruit, 1 cup yogurt ( ~20g)
Lunch - Rice, green beans, chicken thigh (30g)
Dinner - 6 oz beef + whatever (~50g)

That's not even very many calories and is already at 100g.
 
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Not sure if I'm in wrong thread, but i don't remember posting in eight losing or anything.

Costco now has their own powder. How shit does this look for $48

I still struggle with eating enough protein. I really have days where I'm at like 10-15g.
10-15 grams per day?... That doesnt even seem like you're focused on it. Most protein powder is going to cost in the range of 50 bucks depending on its size. I think I pay 60 for my 5 pound bag. But Im at four meals a day and just citing the protein sources through the day - 4 eggs at meal 1, 150 grams of 3% fat beef on meal 2, 50 grams of protein powder at meal 3, and 55 grams of 3% beef at dinner.
 

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Not to be aggressive, but are you actually trying? That's like one cup of yogurt with zero other protein in the day. It's trivial to get 75g+ just by eating "real food". At that level I'd address your diet WAY before trying to supplement.
Ya it's my diet of course, not meaning to say a higher amount should be hard, but a mixture of using what's in the house and being s cheap bastard.

Like a normal work day where anything is pretty much on the go looks like coffee for breakfast, maybe some kind belvita grain bar or some random wierd foreign snack i grabbed at Costco. Lunch is often leftovers but often is something with like maybe 5 oz of burger, or an extra mre. Ask this week was wiring on old Ramen with a tin of sardines.

Get home, do farm stuff, it's usually like after 8 almost and Dinner i try to skip a decent amount of time while i work on the last 5-10 lbs shooting for 200 6ft1, 34-36 ish waist.
But sometimes diet will be nice large cut of meat, then other days might be like a simple add grabbing a pbj.

So many of those example get a bit over that i guess but not by a lot. Im stopping selling eggs since my birds hardly producing and going to try and start getting 2-3 eggs a day down.


But goal was to start to at least grab a shake in the evening. And once a lot of our old food is it off the freezer i have the containers and was going to start doing s weekly meal prep for the week so i have grab and go as i just don't have the facilities or time at work and kinda working 2 jobs with the farm.
Even just chicken and vegetables with a half cup of rice and little sauce will be plenty for a long time before i get sick of it.
 

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Ya it's my diet of course, not meaning to say a higher amount should be hard, but a mixture of using what's in the house and being s cheap bastard.

Like a normal work day where anything is pretty much on the go looks like coffee for breakfast, maybe some kind belvita grain bar or some random wierd foreign snack i grabbed at Costco. Lunch is often leftovers but often is something with like maybe 5 oz of burger, or an extra mre. Ask this week was wiring on old Ramen with a tin of sardines.

Get home, do farm stuff, it's usually like after 8 almost and Dinner i try to skip a decent amount of time while i work on the last 5-10 lbs shooting for 200 6ft1, 34-36 ish waist.
But sometimes diet will be nice large cut of meat, then other days might be like a simple add grabbing a pbj.

So many of those example get a bit over that i guess but not by a lot. Im stopping selling eggs since my birds hardly producing and going to try and start getting 2-3 eggs a day down.


But goal was to start to at least grab a shake in the evening. And once a lot of our old food is it off the freezer i have the containers and was going to start doing s weekly meal prep for the week so i have grab and go as i just don't have the facilities or time at work and kinda working 2 jobs with the farm.
Even just chicken and vegetables with a half cup of rice and little sauce will be plenty for a long time before i get sick of it.

Almost every serving of food you list there has more than 10g protein, if not 5x that. I suspect you're under-counting by quite a lot.
 
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Not to be aggressive, but are you actually trying? That's like one cup of yogurt with zero other protein in the day. It's trivial to get 75g+ just by eating "real food". At that level I'd address your diet WAY before trying to supplement.

For example:

Breakfast - 1 cup oatmeal + fruit, 1 cup yogurt ( ~20g)
Lunch - Rice, green beans, chicken thigh (30g)
Dinner - 6 oz beef + whatever (50g)

That's not even very many calories and is already at 100g.
This, feels like you have to actively avoid protein to stay that low.
 

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This, feels like you have to actively avoid protein to stay that low.
Ya guess a little exaggerated but i do eat awful closer to vegetarian many days. Too much carbs, a lot of protein via peanut butter or whatever in a processed item.

i had recently stocked up on sardines, i like the boneless skinless fillets. lately I've also as a hunger kill snack will cut like a hunk of cheddar off a 5lb b block.

I just cry at near prices over ground beef. wish Costco closer, the cord chicken still a nice deal, and last night we turned carcass into 10 cups it so of broth to freeze
 
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Ya guess a little exaggerated but i do eat awful closer to vegetarian many days. Too much carbs, a lot of protein via peanut butter or whatever in a processed item.

i had recently stocked up on sardines, i like the boneless skinless fillets. lately I've also as a hunger kill snack will cut like a hunk of cheddar off a 5lb b block.

I just cry at near prices over ground beef. wish Costco closer, the cord chicken still a nice deal, and last night we turned carcass into 10 cups it so of broth to freeze
IMO like most things you can't just lump "carbs" into the 'bad' category. Veg/fruit/rice/grains all have carbs, and assuming they aren't processed to shit and/or mixed with a bunch of other junk, aren't bad for you. Obviously, too much of anything isn't great and protein intake is only starting to get widely the attention it should have.

Use similar incremental changes to your diet like you did to get your weight moving in a healthy direction. Those are much easier to maintain and convert to the norm.

I try to increasingly think about long term effects/cost vs my monthly grocery bill. I'd rather spend more now to improve my nutrition/health than deal with what we're seeing become the norm across the country/world. Slow progress is still progress, Prevention > cure and all that.
 
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Not sure if I'm in wrong thread, but i don't remember posting in eight losing or anything.

Costco now has their own powder. How shit does this look for $48

I still struggle with eating enough protein. I really have days where I'm at like 10-15g.
That is very processed garbage and I'd either return it or throw it out. Also your diet sounds like you're getting around 10x the protein that you're thinking you're getting.
 
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