Weight Loss Thread

Gurgeh · Nov 18, 2024

Sludig said:
Ya guess a little exaggerated but i do eat awful closer to vegetarian many days. Too much carbs, a lot of protein via peanut butter or whatever in a processed item.

i had recently stocked up on sardines, i like the boneless skinless fillets. lately I've also as a hunger kill snack will cut like a hunk of cheddar off a 5lb b block.

I just cry at near prices over ground beef. wish Costco closer, the cord chicken still a nice deal, and last night we turned carcass into 10 cups it so of broth to freeze

Fillets are nice if you're a noob, but one reason whole sardines are so great especially in this day and age when we don’t eat livers, heart etc.. Not to mention the bones, it’s really great to eat them whole. There are plenty of nutrients we're deficient in, in those parts.

Sludig · Nov 18, 2024

Gurgeh said:
Fillets are nice if you're a noob, but one reason whole sardines are so great especially in this day and age when we don’t eat livers, heart etc.. Not to mention the bones, it’s really great to eat them whole. There are plenty of nutrients we're deficient in, in those parts.

Can't bring myself to, I'd sooner have chicken liver dumpling soup or something but that's also a lot of hassle. I do at least usually hit all but the worst cartilledge/grissle on stuff. Gots to have muh collagen. My joints are fucky still though.

Picking up by hand and hauling stuff like this pretty frequently. (Did a dozen utility poles and lots of RR ties solo, a few big tree's worth of rings etc) And yet still don't really bulk up much, biceps have come along and that's about it. My dad was the same weight despite daily basement gym lifting and running so much he got an enlarged heart from it etc.

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Caliane · Nov 18, 2024

Sludig said:
Ya it's my diet of course, not meaning to say a higher amount should be hard, but a mixture of using what's in the house and being s cheap bastard.

Like a normal work day where anything is pretty much on the go looks like coffee for breakfast, maybe some kind belvita grain bar or some random wierd foreign snack i grabbed at Costco. Lunch is often leftovers but often is something with like maybe 5 oz of burger, or an extra mre. Ask this week was wiring on old Ramen with a tin of sardines.

Get home, do farm stuff, it's usually like after 8 almost and Dinner i try to skip a decent amount of time while i work on the last 5-10 lbs shooting for 200 6ft1, 34-36 ish waist.
But sometimes diet will be nice large cut of meat, then other days might be like a simple add grabbing a pbj.

So many of those example get a bit over that i guess but not by a lot. Im stopping selling eggs since my birds hardly producing and going to try and start getting 2-3 eggs a day down.

But goal was to start to at least grab a shake in the evening. And once a lot of our old food is it off the freezer i have the containers and was going to start doing s weekly meal prep for the week so i have grab and go as i just don't have the facilities or time at work and kinda working 2 jobs with the farm.
Even just chicken and vegetables with a half cup of rice and little sauce will be plenty for a long time before i get sick of it.

I think you should start a food logbook.

you seem not too sure what your eating exactly. cal or protein. also seem very active, but almost seem like, not eating remotely enough.
coffee only for bf, and sometimes a grain bar?

like, I don't keep a log book.. but I could tell you exactly what I had today.
bf.
1 lender bagel, onion. 1 slice of bacon. 1 slice of cheddar cheese. 1 egg scrambled. (about 2tbl whole milk)=egg sandwich.
3 cups of coffee. 1.5/tsp sugar combined. about 4-5tbl whole milk combined.

skipped lunch today due to dentist.

dinner was tuna grinder. 1 grinder roll. 90g. 30z of tuna. (+mayo. about 1tblspoon) 1 leaf of romaine, 20g of so of onion, 20g of olives, 50g of pickles. salt/pepper. 1 slice of cheddar.

for the record the grinder roll alone was 240cal, 8g of protein.
the tuna was 19g.

drink was:
28oz of roobias blueberry/honey tea.
1 cup of pumpkin tea. w/milk.

(I made cornbread yesterday, so will likely pig out on that later. butter/honey)

Locnar · Nov 18, 2024

Its been a year now on Trizepitide and I've finally gotten to the under 200lbs mark. Slow and steady and I feel way less bulky.

That's 35lbs lost these past 12 months.

Sludig · Nov 18, 2024

Caliane said:
I think you should start a food logbook.

you seem not too sure what your eating exactly. cal or protein. also seem very active, but almost seem like, not eating remotely enough.
coffee only for bf, and sometimes a grain bar?

I make up for it in an occasional binge, like I hurt myself at buffets, currently my weakness is since my wife hates them out here, if i got to chinese, I'll eat most of 2 entree's myself with a little leftover for later. Been getting better about a lot of places if we eat out together order smaller/less as she often wont finish her stuff.

Or other kinda "binge" is she'll make a huge amount of a dinner, she wont eat it after day 2, so sometimes I just have huge servings left of say enchilladas or something I'm trying to get cleared out of the fridge by day 3/4 because she's on to making whatever else next.

Captain Suave · Nov 18, 2024

Sludig said:
I make up for it in an occasional binge, like I hurt myself at buffets, currently my weakness is since my wife hates them out here, if i got to chinese, I'll eat most of 2 entree's myself with a little leftover for later. Been getting better about a lot of places if we eat out together order smaller/less as she often wont finish her stuff.

Or other kinda "binge" is she'll make a huge amount of a dinner, she wont eat it after day 2, so sometimes I just have huge servings left of say enchilladas or something I'm trying to get cleared out of the fridge by day 3/4 because she's on to making whatever else next.

IMO you need to sort out your food tracking before you think about supplementation. Intermittent grazing and binging is a phenomenal way to make your diet unmanageable. You have no idea how much of what you're putting in your mouth, in terms of calories or nutrients.

Get an app, weigh and measure everything you cook, scan any processed foods, and get estimates for the rest. Then work on eating consistent calories per day so that you can build reliable feedback between satiety and your intake. Quantifying what you actually eat is step 0 of developing enough discipline to change your health outcomes.

Sludig · Nov 18, 2024

Captain Suave said:
IMO you need to sort out your food tracking before you think about supplementation. Intermittent grazing and binging is a phenomenal way to make your diet unmanageable. You have no idea how much of what you're putting in your mouth, in terms of calories or nutrients.

Get an app, weigh and measure everything you cook, scan any processed foods, and get estimates for the rest. Then work on eating consistent calories per day so that you can build reliable feedback between satiety and your intake. Quantifying what you actually eat is step 0 of developing enough discipline to change your health outcomes.

I would say, I'm at least ahead of some of the folks that needed this thread, at my absolute worst, I was up to like 225/230 6 some years ago, and I fixed that, dropped back to 190/195. Now ive kinda floated between 205-215. And while I'm not going to delude myself and say oh man it's mostly muscle, I wish I had a better idea of body make up as 2 years of hobby farm I'm certainly much fitter than I used to be with visible definition in some areas.

Not to disregard what your saying.

I kinda hinted at, I think I'd like to just eat completely separate from my wife, but that's usually a good way to get her pissy. But would help a lot with controlling and eating the stuff I want rather than just this is whats leftover to clear out. I'm happy eating simple, in college I'd eat a can of kidney beans with some seasoning. But that has translated to in conjunction with my overwhelming busy lifestyle, the hatred to do any cooking it it takes more than 15 minutes of my direct prep time (cooking unmonitored doesn't count). So I think that's one of my big things to gain by trying to do a week or more meal prep ahead of time all in a sitting.

That and come next summer my first home grown beef should be coming in and maybe I'm more happy to play fast and loose eating more steak in things. Part of feeling like I don't eat enough protein is I've kinda lost my taste I think for stuff that's just a big cut of meat unless very saucy (too many calories) or diced up small in another dish. I like fish pretty well but wife wont eat it. And I go in cycles of getting sick of chicken unless it's just super tender and juicy, my mom couldn't cook and any kind of mouth drying heavy chewing bird is instant no appetite. Tonight we have smoked pork bone in slow cooked with pinto's and seasoning and that's kinda a good example of where I like stuff tender and mixed in.

Daidraco · Nov 18, 2024

Sludig said:
I would say, I'm at least ahead of some of the folks that needed this thread, at my absolute worst, I was up to like 225/230 6 some years ago, and I fixed that, dropped back to 190/195. Now ive kinda floated between 205-215. And while I'm not going to delude myself and say oh man it's mostly muscle, I wish I had a better idea of body make up as 2 years of hobby farm I'm certainly much fitter than I used to be with visible definition in some areas.

Not to disregard what your saying.

I kinda hinted at, I think I'd like to just eat completely separate from my wife, but that's usually a good way to get her pissy. But would help a lot with controlling and eating the stuff I want rather than just this is whats leftover to clear out. I'm happy eating simple, in college I'd eat a can of kidney beans with some seasoning. But that has translated to in conjunction with my overwhelming busy lifestyle, the hatred to do any cooking it it takes more than 15 minutes of my direct prep time (cooking unmonitored doesn't count). So I think that's one of my big things to gain by trying to do a week or more meal prep ahead of time all in a sitting.

That and come next summer my first home grown beef should be coming in and maybe I'm more happy to play fast and loose eating more steak in things. Part of feeling like I don't eat enough protein is I've kinda lost my taste I think for stuff that's just a big cut of meat unless very saucy (too many calories) or diced up small in another dish. I like fish pretty well but wife wont eat it. And I go in cycles of getting sick of chicken unless it's just super tender and juicy, my mom couldn't cook and any kind of mouth drying heavy chewing bird is instant no appetite. Tonight we have smoked pork bone in slow cooked with pinto's and seasoning and that's kinda a good example of where I like stuff tender and mixed in.

My ex g/f would fix a fucking mountain of food for dinner, too. She acted like the world was ending when I said I wanted to control my diet. Then for like the next 3-4 weeks she would eat dinner like a battered woman. In a way it was funny, because when she cooked for just herself.. it was actually just enough food for two people. I had no idea how much it effected her until we broke up over something else, but damn if part of the argument wasnt about me not eating her food. So... handle that shit with care. lol

As of Monday, Im down to 183 pounds at 6'1. Im not sure how accurate a Styku machine is, but it says Im at 12.4% body fat. Eight months meal prepping twice a week. When I do a cheat meal, best believe I make sure its worth it.

Caliane · Nov 19, 2024

Sludig said:
I would say, I'm at least ahead of some of the folks that needed this thread, at my absolute worst, I was up to like 225/230 6 some years ago, and I fixed that, dropped back to 190/195. Now ive kinda floated between 205-215. And while I'm not going to delude myself and say oh man it's mostly muscle, I wish I had a better idea of body make up as 2 years of hobby farm I'm certainly much fitter than I used to be with visible definition in some areas.

Not to disregard what your saying.

I kinda hinted at, I think I'd like to just eat completely separate from my wife, but that's usually a good way to get her pissy. But would help a lot with controlling and eating the stuff I want rather than just this is whats leftover to clear out. I'm happy eating simple, in college I'd eat a can of kidney beans with some seasoning. But that has translated to in conjunction with my overwhelming busy lifestyle, the hatred to do any cooking it it takes more than 15 minutes of my direct prep time (cooking unmonitored doesn't count). So I think that's one of my big things to gain by trying to do a week or more meal prep ahead of time all in a sitting.

That and come next summer my first home grown beef should be coming in and maybe I'm more happy to play fast and loose eating more steak in things. Part of feeling like I don't eat enough protein is I've kinda lost my taste I think for stuff that's just a big cut of meat unless very saucy (too many calories) or diced up small in another dish. I like fish pretty well but wife wont eat it. And I go in cycles of getting sick of chicken unless it's just super tender and juicy, my mom couldn't cook and any kind of mouth drying heavy chewing bird is instant no appetite. Tonight we have smoked pork bone in slow cooked with pinto's and seasoning and that's kinda a good example of where I like stuff tender and mixed in.

I feel like neither this post, or the response to mine, correctly understands what we were saying..

"But would help a lot with controlling and eating the stuff I want rather than just this is whats leftover to clear out."

we aren't at that stage yet. we can't even talk about controlling what you are eating, if you don't know what you are eating.

step 1. don't change your diet at all. just track what you eat. note ingredients and proportions. weight them. do the math. see where you are landing on cals, proteins, and nutrition.

after a short while, you'll probably start getting an idea of weights/size without actually having to measure every time. like, I don't measure/weight milk in coffee, olives, tomatoes in salads etc. I just know how much 40g of them are.

Sludig · Nov 19, 2024

Caliane said:
I feel like neither this post, or the response to mine, correctly understands what we were saying..

"But would help a lot with controlling and eating the stuff I want rather than just this is whats leftover to clear out."

we aren't at that stage yet. we can't even talk about controlling what you are eating, if you don't know what you are eating.

step 1. don't change your diet at all. just track what you eat. note ingredients and proportions. weight them. do the math. see where you are landing on cals, proteins, and nutrition.

after a short while, you'll probably start getting an idea of weights/size without actually having to measure every time. like, I don't measure/weight milk in coffee, olives, tomatoes in salads etc. I just know how much 40g of them are.

Nah

Animosity · Nov 19, 2024

Excuses for excuses.

Cutlery · Nov 21, 2024

Sludig said:
Nah

Well, unfortunately, you will continue to have problems then. Only way you can fix stuff is by being accountable

Plus it makes your cheat days epic

Foler · Nov 25, 2024

Wasn’t sure where to put this - this thread or health problems..

Found out a family member recently started Tirzepatide for weight loss. They aren’t obese but maybe 5-10 lbs overweight. They obviously should be modifying workout and diet to reach their goal but they want to speed it up with this… They workout but their diet just isn’t there - too many treats or junk food snacks that shoot their caloric intake up. How bad is this Tirzepatide for you in the long term? Worried about its long term side effects..

CC:

Gurgeh - sorry to keep tagging you this morning but you seem super knowledge on health stuff and appreciate your input.

Gurgeh · Nov 25, 2024

Foler said:
Wasn’t sure where to put this - this thread or health problems..

Found out a family member recently started Tirzepatide for weight loss. They aren’t obese but maybe 5-10 lbs overweight. They obviously should be modifying workout and diet to reach their goal but they want to speed it up with this… They workout but their diet just isn’t there - too many treats or junk food snacks that shoot their caloric intake up. How bad is this Tirzepatide for you in the long term? Worried about its long term side effects..

CC: Gurgeh - sorry to keep tagging you this morning but you seem super knowledge on health stuff and appreciate your input.

It hasn’t been around for very long, I'd stay away from it unless bmi>35. We'll only know in a decade how bad it is.

My guess is that increasing insuline sensitivity artificialy like this will increase pancreas cancer risk.

The list of side effect is already scarry and it hasn’t been around for very long.

ToeMissile · Nov 25, 2024

Gurgeh said:
It hasn’t been around for very long, I'd stay away from it unless bmi>35. We'll only know in a decade how bad it is.

My guess is that increasing insuline sensitivity artificialy like this will increase pancreas cancer risk.

The list of side effect is already scarry and it hasn’t been around for very long.

From what I understand the class of drug has been around for quote a while as a treatment for diabetes, but more recently moved over. The newer ones are apparently better as far as side effects are concerned. That said, it's pretty stupid to use them if you aren't legitimately obese and aren't working to improve diet/exercise in conjunction.

Related and pretty interesting, research about fat cells trying to keep you fat.

Fat cells have a ‘memory’ of obesity — hinting at why it’s hard to keep weight off

Long-lasting changes to the cells’ epigenome are linked to a decline in their function.

www.nature.com

Summary via Perplexity:

Fat cells have a remarkable ability to "remember" past weight gain through complex genetic changes, even after losing weight. These changes can make it harder to maintain weight loss and keep fat cells functioning normally. When someone becomes obese, their fat cells undergo molecular modifications that can persist long after the weight is lost. These modifications affect how cells process sugar, store fat, and respond to diet and exercise.

The cellular "memory" of obesity means that previously overweight individuals might find it easier to regain weight and have slower metabolic processes. Genes related to fat storage and metabolism can remain altered, creating a kind of biological blueprint that influences future weight management. This explains why some people struggle more with maintaining weight loss compared to individuals who have never been overweight.

Researchers are exploring ways to "reset" these cellular memories, potentially developing treatments that could help people overcome the long-term effects of past weight gain. Understanding these mechanisms offers hope for more personalized and effective weight management strategies in the future.

moonarchia · Nov 25, 2024

ToeMissile said:
From what I understand the class of drug has been around for quote a while as a treatment for diabetes, but more recently moved over. The newer ones are apparently better as far as side effects are concerned. That said, it's pretty stupid to use them if you aren't legitimately obese and aren't working to improve diet/exercise in conjunction.

Related and pretty interesting, research about fat cells trying to keep you fat.

Fat cells have a ‘memory’ of obesity — hinting at why it’s hard to keep weight off

Long-lasting changes to the cells’ epigenome are linked to a decline in their function.

www.nature.com

Summary via Perplexity:

Fat cells have a remarkable ability to "remember" past weight gain through complex genetic changes, even after losing weight. These changes can make it harder to maintain weight loss and keep fat cells functioning normally. When someone becomes obese, their fat cells undergo molecular modifications that can persist long after the weight is lost. These modifications affect how cells process sugar, store fat, and respond to diet and exercise.

The cellular "memory" of obesity means that previously overweight individuals might find it easier to regain weight and have slower metabolic processes. Genes related to fat storage and metabolism can remain altered, creating a kind of biological blueprint that influences future weight management. This explains why some people struggle more with maintaining weight loss compared to individuals who have never been overweight.

Researchers are exploring ways to "reset" these cellular memories, potentially developing treatments that could help people overcome the long-term effects of past weight gain. Understanding these mechanisms offers hope for more personalized and effective weight management strategies in the future.

Easy to fix. Just make your body demolish the fat cells with... diet and exercise.

ToeMissile · Nov 25, 2024

moonarchia said:
Easy to fix. Just make your body demolish the fat cells with... diet and exercise.

I would say simple instead of easy. Also, can’t get rid of all the fat cells.

This isn’t to say that people shouldn’t be responsible for themselves, just that the playing field is a little different for everyone.

Khane · Nov 25, 2024

How does Ozempic/Wegovy even work? Does it just suppress appetite? I have to admit i have not looked into it at all because until now every weight loss drug/supplement has been complete bullshit and mostly i dont care.

Its kinda wild, and intriguing and even a bit futuristic that it actually does work (not talking about if its good or bad for)

sleevedraw · Nov 25, 2024

Khane said:
How does Ozempic/Wegovy even work? Does it just suppress appetite? I have to admit i have not looked into it at all because until now every weight loss drug/supplement has been complete bullshit and mostly i dont care.

Its kinda wild, and intriguing and even a bit futuristic that it actually does work (not talking about if its good or bad for)

It mimics a hormone that the body produces naturally called GLP-1.

GLP-1 basically acts on the brain in response to ingesting nutritious food to say "Suppress appetite now; I'm full." It also slows down stomach motility, meaning food leaves the stomach slower, which also gives someone actual physical feedback (i.e. an actual feeling of being full).

Omi43221 · Nov 28, 2024

Khane said:
How does Ozempic/Wegovy even work? Does it just suppress appetite? I have to admit i have not looked into it at all because until now every weight loss drug/supplement has been complete bullshit and mostly i dont care.

Its kinda wild, and intriguing and even a bit futuristic that it actually does work (not talking about if its good or bad for)

I justed started on it three weeks ago. Does it stop you from getting hungry, absolutely not. But if you were like me it's making a huge difference in what I experience when I am dieting. So you still need to watch what you eat and choose a healthy diet or you won't lose weight. It won't make you lose weight, you still have to will yourself to do the right things.
( hope that helps)

Now the things I noticed. I use to go into what I called bear mode 4-5 nights a week where I would just destroy anything I could get my hands on. I haven't gone into bear mode a single time since I started Wegovy. Whenever I have dieted in the past after two weeks I would get so hungry that people started looking like giant drumsticks to me. People thought I was kidding, I was not. I am not experiencing anything like that right now. It really feels different this time.

As of right now I'm down 15 pounds after 3 weeks. I hope to lose another 80 over the next year. I hear it's very common for people to plateau before they reach their goal. Hopefully I keep losing.

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