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I work at a small company(think we just eclipsed 60 people) and one of the VPs is married to our technical writer. If it weren't for the fact that I overheard her calling him her husband or chanced seeing them drive in once in a while, I'd have no idea. Never see them together, not even for lunches.

So, I guess it's possible, but maybe you have to keep it extremely separated.
 
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My current boss was married to his now ex-wife here but they were married prior to them both working at the company. You probably wouldn't know they were together if it wasn't for the common last name and even during the divorce -- which was somewhat bitter and I only know because he told me personal details -- you'd ever knew they were getting divorced. In fact when he had to tell people they were separating people were honestly shocked because although they never really talked too much at work they were equally non-hostile. I think it can work but I don't know if it is smart to start a new relationship with a coworker.
 
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Cad_sl said:
Don't fuck people at work.

The end.
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Basically this.

I was in retail management like a decade ago, moving up through the ranks pretty quickly (was a DM over 8 stores at age 23). Anyways, I start dating a girl who worked for my same company, but outside of my district. I literally had zero contact with her in the work environment, and I wasn't anywhere within the chain of command of superiors over her.

Her manager got fired for basically being a worthless fuck who didn't come close to hitting any of his sales goals. He didn't even try. He instantly went to corporate HR and complained that the only reason he got fired is because my girlfriend(his employee, who he hired before I even met her) didn't like him and thus I persuaded HIS boss to fire him. This wasn't even my employee to fire.

100% speculation on the fired guys part, with no evidence of anything.

I was told in no uncertain terms by corporate that I either needed to leave the company, or my girlfriend did.

I left, I knew I could land another job no problem, and I wanted to leave when absolutely NONE of my co-workers(other DMs) or managers (our regional and VP of sales) would even remotely come to bat for me in the ridiculous situation. I knew right then that the people who I *thought* were friends, were definitely not. I got the hell out of that POS job (Gamestop) and have been much better off ever since.

The manager who got fired, and complained, was re-hired and is still working for them in the same position now, 11 years later. Dude has no future, will never be promoted, but I guess he's cool with being a Gamestop manager for the rest of his life.
 
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Sounds like they failed to build a proper case against him before letting him go and they couldn't 100% deny his accusations. These days to fire someone for performance you need all sorts of paperwork so you can cover your ass that this firing is because of performance and nothing else.
 
Frenzied Wombat

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Topical somewhat -

Just lost my job this morning - basically an ex female employee complained to our current HR manager that she couldn't come in to the store because I made her uncomfortable. That, combined with the fact that I'm dating an employee that works with me, (not for me), showed a "pattern of inappropriate behavior with female employees."

Was about to hit my 4 year anniversary, been with this group for 6 years (2 as an outside contractor). Loved what I did, loved the team (insert loved them too much joke here).

Time to move on. I'm confident in my ability, I've already got a network of people looking for something that will re-energize me and keep me happy. I'm seeing this as the impetus to moving on - have been extremely disappointed with a lot of the company decisions as of late, so while my day to day was awesome, it was getting harder to love the companies direction in our business segment. I really thought I'd retire with this company, but then I had to go and fall in love with someone who worked there, and my boss, who we had his blessing (as well as HRs blessing) did say that these things never end up well. Oh well.

I'm very mobile, not tied to living anywhere in particular. Have reasonable (70k depending on cost of living) salary requirements, and a strong resume of operations/logistics and training development.

This weekend will be a classic cigar and wine bender, with lots of Xbox One fuckery, and then next week starts the job hunt. Always easier when you have a job than when you don't, but I'll make do.

Feel like I got rail-roaded basically - how does an ex employee, who left on her own terms, get to have so much power over someone else - they just wanted to cut ties and move on I suppose instead of taking some kind of lawsuit risk.

So much fun. First time I've actually been fired. 39 years old. If there was more to the story I'd tell you all, but of course they don't need to provide everything to me, so I don't really know if there was more. I wasn't skeevy, and no one currently there thinks I'm a creep or anything - oh well.

Bleah.
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Not only should you not be fucking anybody at the office, you shouldn't even fucking look/hang/talk with women beyond what is needed to perform your job function. There is ZERO possible positive outcome from doing so, besides whatever Feelz you get out of it. Zero. If you think this seems harsh or extreme, then keep in mind that even an *unsubstantiated* complaint to HR must be investigated. I've worked at firms that have had to spend 100K plus defending utterly frivolous lawsuits from ex female employees that simply couldn't accept that they were just a shitty employee and were fired, and will dredge up some comment made two years prior as a basis for a sexual harassment lawsuit. Even when their allegations are proven to be false, it's still a scar that will tarnish your position at wherever you work, assuming you haven't already been fired at that point so they can cover their asses.
 
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About 6 months after I started working my boss was complaining about IT and how they wouldn't do what she wanted and i said "tell them to eat you, you're the engineer and IT is a support role"
Because I always just grew up saying eat me as like a general insult.

Now I cherish the memory, but back then, i was a little nervous.
 
Frenzied Wombat

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Picasso_sl said:
About 6 months after I started working my boss was complaining about IT and how they wouldn't do what she wanted and i said "tell them to eat you, you're the engineer and IT is a support role"
Because I always just grew up saying eat me as like a general insult.

Now I cherish the memory, but back then, i was a little nervous.
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IT doesn't work for you, we work with you. We don't support you, we enable you to do your job in a 21st century capacity. Without us, you'd be knocked back to the 18th century-- let's see how much money you make when the phones don't work and your email is bouncing. People with that "IT servant" attitude get a detailed output of their surfing habits sent to their manager on my watch. They STFU pretty quickly after that.
 
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It's a support role because it enables the mission but it's not the mission. It can be extrapolated but realistically we're in business to get something engineered correctly so when you start neglecting that to accommodate operation of subsystems which are only exist to facilitate that, you can get yourself into trouble, i feel.
 
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Picasso_sl said:
It's a support role because it enables the mission but it's not the mission. It can be extrapolated but realistically we're in business to get something engineered correctly so when you start neglecting that to accommodate operation of subsystems which are only exist to facilitate that, you can get yourself into trouble, i feel.
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Its a support role just like accounting, or facilities, or janitorial. They allow the people who do the work for the company to do their jobs.

For IT to act like some special snowflakes... lol

Unless it's a software company or a company selling technology, the IT guys are servants. Get over it.
 
Frenzied Wombat

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Its a support role just like accounting, or facilities, or janitorial. They allow the people who do the work for the company to do their jobs.

For IT to act like some special snowflakes... lol

Unless it's a software company or a company selling technology, the IT guys are servants. Get over it.
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Funny, when legal needs a massive e-discovery search the night before some trial and they call me to do some complex query and production to save their asses, they sure do think I'm a special snowflake. I also make more coin than the majority of our attorneys. And to be fair, if IT is a "support" role, so is Legal. When our transactional attorney has some complex financial transaction dropped on his lap from one of our investment guys and has 48 hours to turn around a contract, he's acting as "support" too..

Technically, anybody that doesn't "directly" generate income is "support". The difference is whether you decide to interact with them like the janitor, or as a co-worker. If you treat/envision IT like the janitor, you're definitely asking for far more repercussive pain than a dirty toilet..
 
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FW regular run of the mill IT work is 100% support. People can work without email, people can work without a lot of things, is just harder.
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I also make more coin than the majority of our attorneys.
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Another seven figures salary .. they are everywhere i tell you...
 
Brahma

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Ancallagon_sl said:
Topical somewhat -

Just lost my job this morning - basically an ex female employee complained to our current HR manager that she couldn't come in to the store because I made her uncomfortable. That, combined with the fact that I'm dating an employee that works with me, (not for me), showed a "pattern of inappropriate behavior with female employees."

Was about to hit my 4 year anniversary, been with this group for 6 years (2 as an outside contractor). Loved what I did, loved the team (insert loved them too much joke here).

Time to move on. I'm confident in my ability, I've already got a network of people looking for something that will re-energize me and keep me happy. I'm seeing this as the impetus to moving on - have been extremely disappointed with a lot of the company decisions as of late, so while my day to day was awesome, it was getting harder to love the companies direction in our business segment. I really thought I'd retire with this company, but then I had to go and fall in love with someone who worked there, and my boss, who we had his blessing (as well as HRs blessing) did say that these things never end up well. Oh well.

I'm very mobile, not tied to living anywhere in particular. Have reasonable (70k depending on cost of living) salary requirements, and a strong resume of operations/logistics and training development.

This weekend will be a classic cigar and wine bender, with lots of Xbox One fuckery, and then next week starts the job hunt. Always easier when you have a job than when you don't, but I'll make do.

Feel like I got rail-roaded basically - how does an ex employee, who left on her own terms, get to have so much power over someone else - they just wanted to cut ties and move on I suppose instead of taking some kind of lawsuit risk.

So much fun. First time I've actually been fired. 39 years old. If there was more to the story I'd tell you all, but of course they don't need to provide everything to me, so I don't really know if there was more. I wasn't skeevy, and no one currently there thinks I'm a creep or anything - oh well.

Bleah.
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Sorry to hear that...Good luck man.
 
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Frenzied Wombat_sl said:
Funny, when legal needs a massive e-discovery search the night before some trial and they call me to do some complex query and production to save their asses, they sure do think I'm a special snowflake. I also make more coin than the majority of our attorneys. And to be fair, if IT is a "support" role, so is Legal. When our transactional attorney has some complex financial transaction dropped on his lap from one of our investment guys and has 48 hours to turn around a contract, he's acting as "support" too..

Technically, anybody that doesn't "directly" generate income is "support". The difference is whether you decide to interact with them like the janitor, or as a co-worker. If you treat/envision IT like the janitor, you're definitely asking for far more repercussive pain than a dirty toilet..
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In a corporation Legal definitely is a support role just like IT.
 
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FW regular run of the mill IT work is 100% support. People can work without email, people can work without a lot of things, is just harder.


Another seven figures salary .. they are everywhere i tell you...
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Helpdesk is 100% support, and that's the bottom of the food chain IT work. It's the IT equivalent of document review in the Legal world. Some of us at the higher levels have to fashion cybersecurity policies to placate the SEC, sit in front of investors and explain how your infrastructure and security is good enough that they should risk millions with you, and make sure trade files are properly transmitted and committed so financial positions are accurate the following day. And I don't make a 7 digit salary, and neither do most lawyers..
 
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Frenzied Wombat_sl said:
and neither do most lawyers..
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I can see your condo from my office window downtown.
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Frenzied Wombat

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I can see your condo from my office window downtown.
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Keep watching, we're about to start $200,000 worth of repairs in a few weeks from all that water damage. Yes, it took us (me, since my neighbors are useless) three months to find someone competent enough to diagnose the problems, let alone offer a solution.. You may end up as a witness to murder when I kill one of our contractors. Problems even before they've started..
 
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