It should always be pointed out, we don't actually have any idea what the pre-colonial populations were. they didn't have any records, or writing, or anything. its all based on guesswork, often by modern people with bias. People make statements like this as if its fact. its not. And sure, there are historical facts that we can take as fact, due to ample historical sources. this isn't one of them.Roughly 85% of the population of north American Indians was wiped out
Head writer for this quit today on Twitter.
it's been a while and forgot where I read it but this number was always fucking bullshit revisionist history. Obviously they didn't keep records or know how to write, they hadn't invented the wheel yet and had barely tamed fucking fire, but we know this 85% population wipe out to be complete bullshit because the lack of mass graves or charred bone/carrion fields.It should always be pointed out, we don't actually have any idea what the pre-colonial populations were. they didn't have any records, or writing, or anything. its all based on guesswork, often by modern people with bias. People make statements like this as if its fact. its not. And sure, there are historical facts that we can take as fact, due to ample historical sources. this isn't one of them.
Yeah not sure how people believe a lack of exposure to a disease magically makes the disease 10x more lethal. Smallpox, the major variety (more lethal) only had a mortality rate of around 1% (less, actually). Humanity has been dealing with small pox for 70k+ years, if it were capable of killing 85% of a population of previously unexposed people it would have ended us before we came out of the fucking caves.That makes more sense. It also makes more sense that the Indians have been wiping each other out for thousands of years in war and squabbles. White man comes and hooks a tribe up. Other tribes get jealous and then make war. Them all just dropping dead sounds stupid. 80% lack of immunity to diseases? They weren't gone that long.
Yeah not sure how people believe a lack of exposure to a disease magically makes the disease 10x more lethal. Smallpox, the major variety (more lethal) only had a mortality rate of around 1% (less, actually). Humanity has been dealing with small pox for 70k+ years, if it were capable of killing 85% of a population of previously unexposed people it would have ended us before we came out of the fucking caves
I probably like the peggy carter tv show and character more than anyone else, but this was just ok even though it featured her. did love the 1600s episode
the native stuff was bad. why not just have a what if.. the vibranium comet landed in north America instead of africa.
show has endless potential, looking forward to more seasons.
You seem to be conflating two very different things.Yeah not sure how people believe a lack of exposure to a disease magically makes the disease 10x more lethal. Smallpox, the major variety (more lethal) only had a mortality rate of around 1% (less, actually). Humanity has been dealing with small pox for 70k+ years, if it were capable of killing 85% of a population of previously unexposed people it would have ended us before we came out of the fucking caves.
Seriously not sure how people believe the "small pox blanket gifts" bullshit. check it out. you get infected. You start to get symptoms and you become contagious (able to spread the disease to others) for a period of 2 weeks. That was it's infectivity time. After 2 weeks you either died or your body fought off the infection and you became immune to small pox and could never contract it again.
It only was able to become an issue with the rise of cities and later rail and other transportation methods which enabled the disease to become a problem. Only in the most extreme scenarios (huge city populations without sanitation/running water like pre-industrial revolution cities) was it ever a threat, because only in those conditions can it spread faster than it killed people. (much like the bubonic plague)
Even if it were intentionally spread to tribes by the white man and even if Small pox had a 100% mortality rate, it would only be able to infect a handful of tribes, kill maybe half a dozen people that that person actually came in contact with, before it died off. Native American's didn't have cities. They also didn't have horses. How fucking far do you think sick people can walk in 2 weeks before they died?
The extremely sparsely populated Americas full of dozens of warring, nomadic tribes that the colonists found is same extremely sparsely populated America's that the explorers found which is same extremely sparsely populated Americas that the vikings found.
whiskey and depression kills more indians a year than white-man diseases ever did.
Ok but why are they dying off at 85%? Who dies like that? It's bullshit.You seem to be conflating two very different things.
Smallpox blankets are made up revisionist bullshit.
The actual dieoff happened hundreds of years earlier. There was a more or less continent wide plague spread (unintentionally and unknowingly) by contact with the earliest settlers - Spanish and Portuguese. This is pretty well documented and not really disputed by anyone as far as I can tell.
Your point about "but wheres the bodies??" forgets that (a) these were stone age savages and (b) it was hundreds of years. Wheres the evidence of the hundreds of millions of whitetailed deer that died in the same region in the same period? You can't apply the assumptions of modernity in this situation.
You seem to be conflating two very different things.
Smallpox blankets are made up revisionist bullshit.
The actual dieoff happened hundreds of years earlier. There was a more or less continent wide plague spread (unintentionally and unknowingly) by contact with the earliest settlers - Spanish and Portuguese. This is pretty well documented and not really disputed by anyone as far as I can tell.
Your point about "but wheres the bodies??" forgets that (a) these were stone age savages and (b) it was hundreds of years. Wheres the evidence of the hundreds of millions of whitetailed deer that died in the same region in the same period? You can't apply the assumptions of modernity in this situation.
Another good point - the Black Plague was devastating on Europe, so there is plenty of evidence of a non-resistant population suffering heavy mortality rates to disease. 40-60% of the population died from it.
This fucking smooth brain "hur dur diseases don't kill lots of people" is what happens when you guzzle too much anti-vax/anti-covid propaganda.
The idea of a disease spreading throughout an entire sparsely populated continent without any established transportation networks is absurd.
They had trading networks and hubs. The French fur traders exploited the existence of this heavily to get goods they needed, like pemmican