Why do men keep putting me in the Girlfriend-zone?

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Evidence? Of my friendships? What the hell are you talking about? I don't need evidence to tell you you're wrong about the relationships in my life. You know nothing about my life or the people in it! Are you really this thick?
Evidence of this great oppression and "unequalness" that women have to deal with, you dolt.


Glad you're keeping the streak going. Still at 100% incorrect assumptions about me. Never been to a feminism rally in my life, nor has my wife.
Right. So you bought the Kool-Aid she sold you, because you're emotionally needy as fuck. Got it.


Feminists believe women should go to war, work dangerous jobs, etc.
Cool. Guess why they don't get to? Because they areWORSEat it than men are. Because biologically, they can't perform as well as men can in those same functions. Get the fuck over yourself. There are allowed to be differences between the sexes. Your lamenting about how this shit needs to be "equal" is goddamned asinine.
 

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Good lord this thread has went to to shit.

I stole this from another thread on another board:

Homosocial bonding is different between men and women, and this causes a lot of confusion and why it's assumed that men and women cannot be friends.

Men see their friendships as camaraderie, hanging out, occasional complaining, and chilling. There's plenty of support mechanisms in place, but they're not intimate, per se.

Women on the other hand are intimate, affectionate, they talk more about how they feel than how things happened. The support mechanisms are explicitly intimate.

So, men who are not used to intimate physical contact and discourse have to translate a person of the opposite sex being physically and emotionally intimate beyond the boundaries of relationships he is used to.

Women may say that this is really the man's fault for getting his hopes up, but it's worth noting that scientists have found that this disparity in relationships has an actual significant effect on different genders. Men and women are programmed differently.

As the study shows, women share their emotional intimacy through much broader networks. They don't restrain it for that one special person. They give it out freely. They take it in easily.

And also, as the study shows, men reserve their emotional intimacy for one special person. They rely on that person. They hold back until they find someone they can trust and then pour it out to them.

This actually makes male intimacy a far more dear thing than female intimacy. This is why men "overreact." This is why men panic. Above all, this is why the Nice Guy misreads his interactions with a woman he likes.

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Now you can look at the nice guy phenomenon through a sharper lens. Men are used to emotional intimacy being saved for a special person, women are not. Women find emotional stability in poor romantic relationships, while men do not.

This confuses the fuck out of the Nice Guy. None of this makes sense. A woman is being emotionally intimate with him, he thinks he's special since that's how he would act. A woman stays in a bad relationship, he thinks it's illogical since that's not how he would act. Combined, this becomes the "I would be good to you, what's wrong with you!" mindset.

Of course, he doesn't understand that a woman has cultivated many intimate relationships with friends and family while he has been working on the one trying to develop a romance. The woman doesn't need to get her emotional support from her romantic relationship. In fact, she can spend all day talking about how bad her relationship is - but at least she's not single, and maybe her partner provides some other value beyond emotional intimacy.

In regard to how the nice guy is viewed, the woman sees his actions as those of just another friend, since that's how she would act toward her friends - freely intimate, physically affectionate. When the guy doesn't get what he wants, she will sometimes feel betrayed, primarily because he has willingly integrated himself into her network and then has destroyed the status quo.
 

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Link me some news stories of big feminist groups trying to get females added to the draft. Link me some news stories of feminist groups fighting for women to be treated as harshly as men in the judicial/legal system.
Here you go.

The National Organization for Women, for instance, passed a resolution in 1980 opposing the male-only draft as unfair sex discrimination.
Other points made in the article:
- Feminists didn't pass the gender-biased draft laws, men did.
- The men-only draft is unfair and harmful to women.
- Military duties come with benefits.


I shamed my family by skimming the last two pages of this. Update me when women sign up for the draft.
Consider yourself updated, ass.


See, in your tiny minds you couldn't possibly imagine women anywhere actually believing they want a gender-bias-free environment because they're obviously just whining over perceived injustices while ignoring how hard men have it. Guess what, retards? Feminists know damn well what they're asking for.

Anybody else want to mention the draft?
 

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Evidence of this great oppression and "unequalness" that women have to deal with, you dolt.
Well, that's been addressed in the article I quoted.


Cool. Guess why they don't get to? Because they areWORSEat it than men are. Because biologically, they can't perform as well as men can in those same functions. Get the fuck over yourself. There are allowed to be differences between the sexes. Your lamenting about how this shit needs to be "equal" is goddamned asinine.
There are a lot of women who are better than a lot of men in a lot of male-dominated areas. A woman who works out and trains with firearms would probably be a better soldier than a Mountain Dew guzzling WOW-obsessed shut-in. Using sweeping generalizations to dismiss a gender makes you look like a fucking idiot. Why not judge people on a person-by-person basis based on their individual abilities to do ANY job?
 

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Why then is it not okay to argue the same for more intellectual pursuits? Is it so hard to believe that there might be physiological/psychological differences there as well?
Gender differences in financial risk aversion and career choices are affected by testosterone
http://www.pnas.org/content/106/36/15268.full

Furthermore,

Preference theory provides a different explanation for the continuing pay gap and occupational segregation. Moreover, it predicts that they will persist in the 21st century, that men will continue to outnumber women in the top jobs, simply because they try much harder to get them. The majority of working women seek a large degree of work-life balance (Hakim, 2005), certainly more than men do. Women are more likely to ask for shorter work hours than to ask for higher pay or promotion (Babcock & Laschever, 2003).
http://blog.lib.umn.edu/puot0002/300...references.pdf
 

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There are a lot of women who are better than a lot of men in a lot of male-dominated areas. A woman who works out and trains with firearms would probably be a better soldier than a Mountain Dew guzzling WOW-obsessed shut-in. Using sweeping generalizations to dismiss a gender makes you look like a fucking idiot. Why not judge people on a person-by-person basis based on their individual abilities to do ANY job?
Have you been in the front line? Pretty fucking sure you'd need more than firearm training and working out.
 

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Have you been in the front line? Pretty fucking sure you'd need more than firearm training and working out.
I'm positive you're right. The military hardly has more applicants than it can handle, though, and there's zero fucking reason not to judge every individual applicant on their own merits, regardless of gender.
 

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Quote 30 year old NOW shit all you want, I hear nothing about broads signing up for the draft in the current wave of "girl power" horse shit that's effecting my military currently. But I'm sure our new "gender neutral" standards will accomodate every she-dick limpwrister that has something to prove to Dad. Give them female combat battalions (with a MOS differnet from mine) and see how many of them turn up pregnant come deployment.

Edit: I've mentioned this story before it's relevent again. When I was at Parris Island, during Team Week we went to 4th Batt. (the female training battalion) and spread so much mulch to raise the floor of their obstacle course several inches. Instead of lowering the bar, we raised the floor.
 

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Thanks for saving me the time of digging that stuff up. As I've been saying, men and women are wired differently, both in how they approach relationships as well as careers.
You guys act like it's some big revelation that men and women are different. It's not. But you can't just dismiss a gender based on sweeping generalizations.
Let me ask you this: What's the big fucking deal about letting individuals prove themselves relative to what they're trying to accomplish? What is there to gain by systematically restricting the opportunities of a particular gender because "they're not cut out for that stuff"? That's what's been happening, and that's what feminism is trying to eliminate.


Quote 30 year old NOW shit all you want, I hear nothing about broads signing up for the draft in the current wave of "girl power" horse shit that's effecting my military currently. But I'm sure our new "gender neutral" standards will accomodate every she-dick limpwrister that has something to prove to Dad. Give them female combat battalions (with a MOS differnet from mine) and see how many of them turn up pregnant come deployment.

Edit: I've mentioned this story before it's relevent again. When I was at Parris Island, during Team Week we went to 4th Batt. (the female training battalion) and spread so much mulch to raise the floor of their obstacle course several inches. Instead of lowering the bar, we raised the floor.
I'll say it again: The "men only" draft was created by men. It reflects the idea that men are "better" at protecting their country, and that women need to be protected, ideas that feminism opposes. I've linked an article that clearly states this, and I've shown you feminists who have explicitly opposed the men-only draft.
Since you're in the military, you must be well aware of the challenges faced by women there. Oh, I'm supposed to be offended because the floor was raised for a gender whose average height is shorter than yours? Call me when your male soldiers stop repeatedly raping the females, then systematically covering it up and protecting the offenders. And I fucking dare any of you to say "That's why females shouldn't be in the military", as if it's completely acceptable, or even expected, for men to physically overpower and sexually force themselves on a fellow soldier. Maybe fixing that shit will see an increase in females "signing up" for the draft?
 

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Jesus fuck dude kill yourself. You clearly had your dick chopped off by some woman who wears it around her neck. You are the ultimate whiteknight.
 

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Jesus fuck dude kill yourself. You clearly had your dick chopped off by some woman who wears it around her neck. You are the ultimate whiteknight.
Like everyone else here, you are speaking out of pure ignorance.
My wife and I have never even discussed feminism.
I'm not sure if she's even a feminist.
Not a single word I posted came from her or was even influenced by her.
She has never read a post on Rerolled and has no idea what I'm writing about when she sees me typing.
Who am I white knighting for? Ravven's gone, and I have no interest in giving away video games for pictures of fake boobs anyway.

FURTHERMORE,
I have never discussed feminism with anyone to this extent before.
The reasons I'm pursuing this discussion are threefold:
1) You guys keep throwing shit on the wall, hoping for some of it to stick. I take great joy in exposing your shallow arguments as the pathetic rationalizations they are. Stop saying stupid shit and I won't have anything to refute.
2) Feminism is highly misunderstood and unfairly criticized for a variety of reasons. I'm trying to reduce the amount of ignorance about the subject by telling a bunch of "macho" fucks what feminism is really about. An uphill battle, obviously, but I do enjoy a challenge.
3) The butthurt on display by you guys is absolutely delightful. I love how everybody comes in, all high and mighty, thinking your bigoted assholery is invincible because you're surrounded by like-minded titwads and you have some charts about how hard life is for men. Then some Canadian pansy-boy who (*gasp!*) hasfemale friendscalls you out on your bullshit and proceeds to heartily school you on shit you've clearly never actually thought about before. "Kill yourself"? That's the best you can do? That's so fucking cute, I love it.

Oh, and it blows my mind that every single assumption made by any of you about me has been completely wrong so far. Shit, statistically, one of you would have had to guess something that actually applied to me by now, but you've all been consistently way off. I love how I don't fit into any stereotype you can use to explain my attitude and you guys just don't know what to do with that! Looks like you guys don't have everything figured out after all... Surprise!

Now, I would point out the obvious and say that if my posts disturb your idea of masculine ideals, and if you're not capable of saying anything intelligent in your defense (which, to be fair, so far you haven't), that you'd probably be better off ignoring this thread until it's inevitably rickshawed, but like I said, your butthurt is so adorable I could eat it with a spoon.
 

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I think you may be the first person in this board's history of a girl pretending to be a guy, or like I said, some woman is wearing your dick aroun d her neck.