Why do men keep putting me in the Girlfriend-zone?

Ya men are vastly superior.

Eomer_sl said:

Nothing wrong with any of what you said there. I'm not really taking much issue with feminism in this thread, you're lumping me in with other people.

I just think it's ridiculous that many people refuse to acknowledge that there are real differences between men and women, and that those differences probably explain a significant amount of the gap in career achievement between men and women that remains after 40+ years of feminism. We'll probably never see true equality between the sexes, because get this, the sexes aren't perfectly equal in every respect.

If you say "women are better at child rearing and emotional nurturing" everyone nods and goes "oh yeah, of course that makes perfect sense". Almost no one will take offense to that or say it's sexist to write men off as emotionless automatons. If you say "men are more single minded and driven to achieve their ambitions, resulting in them more frequently attaining high office or place in everything from business to politics to science", ~5-10% of the population loses their shit and calls you a misogynist asshole while most everyone else either doesn't give a shit or tacitly accepts it as self evident.

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Sorry for lumping you, I mistook you for one of the hundred Agent Smiths charging at my Neo.
You know what though? Maybe there is a fundamental difference in the biological structures that affects how well certain jobs can be done. We don't know much about that. But we do know that there is systematic disenfranchisement of one gender over another. You (and I mean the general "you", not you specifically) can't use assumptions about one to justify the other.

And by the way, feminists would most definitely NOT agree that "women are better at child rearing and emotional nurturing". They fucking hate that shit. Feminists don't pick and choose what parts of their doctrine suit their needs best. Feminists believe men should have just as much right to their children as women have, and that men shouldn't be seen as "suspicious" if they are at the park with a child. Feminists want to remove all these assumptions about either gender and let each person stand on their own merits. Then, whatever differences exist don't have to be generalized across the gender board.

Let's say, as a hypothetical example, that women actually are generally better nurturers and caregivers. It doesn't stand to reason that any woman is better at child-rearing than any man. There will be women who suck at raising kids, and men who are outstanding parents. Letting attitudes like "the mother is the better caregiver" have an influence on custody cases is harmful and exactly the kind of thing feminism is against.

Similarly, as another hypothetical example, let's say men are more ambitious and hard-working. Again, there's no way that would apply to all men compared to all women, so when women get skipped over for promotions or positions of power not because they aren't qualified but because assumptions are made based on their gender, that's sexism. I'm not saying to give women special treatment, I'm not saying the man isn't sometimes actually the better person for the job, but to deny that systemic disenfranchisement of women doesn't occur is just ignorant. People make assumptions based on someone's gender all the time (as has beenEXPLICITLYdemonstrated many times over in this thread) and this is something we need to fix if we want to say we live in a free society with equal opportunity for all. Let people's actions speak for themselves.

Kirun_sl said:

Speaking of sweeping generalizations. I forgot that all females who enter into the military and physically demanding jobs all "work out and train with firearms". While all the men who enter those same jobs are "Mountain Dew guzzling WOW-obsessed shut-ins".

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Wow, you are an idiot, but I like talking to idiots so I'll humor you.
What I said was not a generalization. I proposed a specific hypothetical situation. There is a large difference.
Generalizationsapply tolarge groups of people.
Specific hypothetical situationsexist to highlightspecific points.
Would you like a mnemonic device?
Generalizations -Groups
HypotheticalSituations -Specific

Kirun_sl said:

How is this possible?!?! My reality is being shattered here! I thought women were just as well suited for those jobs, from a physical strength standpoint, as men?! How are they allowing themselves to be overpowered, especially when they are just as aggressive and possess equal physical strength!?

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I'm sorry, I can't use hand puppets over this message board so I'll have to do my best with the written word, something you've already shown yourself to have trouble with.
Did I ever say women were just as well suited, from a physical strength standpoint, as men are for military work?
Did ANYBODY ever say that all military positions require the maximum physical strength a human being is capable of achieving? Can you accept that every person in the military is either stronger or weaker than (even if nominally so) than every every other person in the military?
Physical strength is not the only factor in rape, by the way, especially in the military where women already have something more to prove and men in higher-ranking positions than her abuse their authority. The military is notoriously rough on soldiers, in order to weed out those who can't handle it. A girl doesn't want to be the first to complain that things are difficult, so she might feel she has to "suck it up" when she's targeted for being a woman. Unfortunately, this all too often leads to rape. This is OK with you?
Most importantly, why are you ignoring the key point I made: That RAPE IN THE MILITARY is something you should all be more up in arms about than whether or not feminists make sure to notify you personally when they oppose a gender-skewed draft.

Maester Chuk_sl said:

lol this "guy" is still going on about his cherry blossom tours with the ladies. women still have a ways to go to be physically and mentally equal to a male. and honestly i dont think either gender wants that to ever happen. also i have had deeper platonic friendship with a dog than i have ever had with a woman. sure you cant fuck a dog. well you can, then end up being arrested and from then on people will point at you and scream dogfucker. but a dog will always be there for you.

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Umm, is "this guy" me? 'Cuz I'm not "going on about" cherry blossom tours. I don't know what the fuck you're talking about.


Anyways, here's your stance:

Men are physically and mentally superior to females.
Dogs are better friends than women.

You've made your point, we all know you're an idiot, you clearly have nothing of value to add to this discussion besides a grade-school level trolling, so you might as well aw who am I kidding there's no way you will even read this far into the sentence before taking a masturbation break and dipping your fingers in the Cheetos-encrusted drool that has formed on your keyboard.

Drinsic_sl said:

Are you fat AND a weeaboo? I'm almost sorry.

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What the fuck is a weeaboo?

Drinsic_sl said:

bitch are you retarded

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You got something to say, say it. Quoting somebody and saying "bitch are you retarded" (sic) does not a counterargument make. You got an alternative point of view to share? Fucking bring it on.
Bitch.

Eomer_sl said:

So even if there's only a teeny, tiny little bit of difference in the ability or desire to achieve between the sexes, that will result in huge disparities in the number of women sitting on corporate boards, winning Nobel prizes, or becoming billionaires. It doesn't all come down to a biased system, although that's certainly been a huge problem in the past, and remains an issue today, albeit a much smaller one.

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Well, we might disagree about the size of the problem (no way to prove either way), but if you agree there's a biased system you're halfway to being a feminist. The other half is wanting to get rid of the bias. Amazing how big of a problem most of these guys have with that.

A girl doesn't want to be the first to complain when things are difficult, you mist be trolling.

Trollface_sl said:

what's wrong with rape? Cry of Rape was just another patriarchal means of controlling women and exploit their fragility to advance men's machoness to be protective of their womenfolk (WHITE MEN MUST PROTECT WHITE WOMEN FROM THE EVILS OF BLACK RAPISTS).

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C'mon, man, you're better than this. You actually brought up a good point before. No need to sink to Kirun levels of retardation. I know you're just trolling for laughs, but if anybody can make a second point that defends anti-feminism, you can. It's getting a bit dull shooting these fish in a barrel.