Why do men keep putting me in the Girlfriend-zone?

Wizardhawk_sl said:

Way to prove your case.

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Wow, what a bunch of pussies.
I didn't dodge shit. I confronted a weak-ass point head-on and explained why it didn't prove shit. In explicit detail (so you can't say "what aboutthisthing?"), and using facts and studies to back myself up, I might add.
You don't like it, explain where my logic is faulty.
Using man-created problems to dismiss feminism is fucking stupid.

Somebody disturbs your misogynistic little bubble and you debate-hungry self-righteous lords of language don't know what to do with yourselves any more.

Trollface_sl said:

comics, videos

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I guess, since you're not saying anything, that I'm supposed to be Calvin?
See, here's another instance of you missing the point.
I don't think you're the enemy. I don't think anti-feminists are the enemy.
I think we're actually on the same side, but anti-feminists don't want to look past stereotypes and falsely perceived threats to their power and masculinity in order to see that feminism is simply about making sure society isn't being systematically unfair to any particular group. Why would anybody be against that? There's no reason at all, unless you enjoy your position of power and don't want to see it challenged (like the 1%). I don't believe you are like that, but maybe I'm wrong.

Now, I'm not a fool. I understand that by admitting there are good reasons to work against the systematic "preferential treatment" of groups of people, you make yourself sound like a pansy-girl. God forbid you use the term "feminism" in a non-mocking sense, that's instantaneous grounds for torrents of ridicule and macho-shaming (As I've demonstrated, I don't give a shit about that). I don't expect you to come out and say "You know what, I guess what I thought feminism was about was wrong after all." But I do expect you to be the critical thinkers you all pride yourselves on being and realize that you are a product of your environment, and as such there is much that you don't know. Clinging desperately to obsolete and embarrassing ideologies for the sake of saving face in front of your peers is pathetic.

You wanna make a point? Skip the comics, charts, and videos. Tell me where I went wrong when I tore apart your "Men have problems" defense. Tell me the point I'm apparently missing, or better yet, be prepared for how I will respond to such a point. I'm following a pretty predictable pattern here, and I didn't lure you into talking about feminism without knowing what tired old points you guys were going to bring up and how to address these points. Between the two sides here, it's pretty clear who's been talking out of their ass more. Now, you have the advantage in that society is already anti-feminist. By default, the huge majority of posters here are already on your side. I'm trying to show you that it doesn't make you guys right, and if you're just going to be lazy and rely on "majority rules" to regurgitate horrifically misguided arguments without even considering that they might be flawed, you're totally missing your potential.

Aw, who am I kidding? Trying to convince you guys to be open-minded is like trying to convince toilet water to spiral in the opposite direction when flushed. You guys are just giddy to have a real-life male feminist to throw eggs at. Bring on the trolls!

Trollface_sl said:

http://www.law.fsu.edu/journals/lawr.../304/kelly.pdf

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Conten...6/659dkrod.asp

You can play your victim card all you want. Nobody gives a shit. Your feminist doctrine is just one of thousand in the world. Your definition has little meaning for the rest. What you are is just a weak, powerless foot soldier. Feminist organization, Women study "professors," and women organizations, however, do.

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There ya go, I knew you had it in you.
You've identified a real problem here: people using "feminism" to push non-feminist ideals.
Not only that, but you knew I was going to say that wasn't feminism and you prepared for it.
Look who's debating like a big boy!
And you're totally right, by the way. "My" definition of feminism is but one of several, and there those in positions of greater power than I who will do more for their versions than I ever could. See, I don't see this as a reason to dismiss feminism altogether because there is still a reason for it, and I certainly don't see it as a reason to use stereotype and misguided generalizations to mock and ridicule those who don't buy into the "ol' boys' club".

Tell me this: Would you dismiss capitalism as a dismal failure because of the actions of the 1%? They have done far more damage than any professor or women's organization ever has or ever could, and yet people will still defend capitalism to their last breath. Feminism is not the problem. We live in a world where feminism is an unfortunate necessity, and yes, there are those who will misinterpret it and use it to cause problems (intentionally or not). All the more reason to push for a better understanding of a feminism that doesn't allow itself to be used for harm, which is pretty much my point. The need for feminism will not go away just because some kids wrote stupid things on cards or because a women's group screwed up a job restoration program or because men have problems too. Pretending or it will or that there is no need at all only makes the problem worse, so you might as well find a version you like and help that one become the universally accepted one. Me, I like the one already gaining tremendous popularity by easily defending itself against all the shit people sling at feminists in general, and it has the added bonus of not trying to take away people's power, but rather correct the inherent imbalances of a society that gives benefits to one gender over another.

See? I knew we were on the same side.

Kirun_sl said:

How many times were you friendzoned before you found a woman who liked wearing the pants in the relationship?

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Ah, the other end of the rational conversation spectrum. We've come back to Retardo the Great (Troll). All right, let's get this over with...

Kirun_sl said:

I also love how you say we're "wrong", yet provide no evidence to the contrary.

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Evidence? Of my friendships? What the hell are you talking about? I don't need evidence to tell you you're wrong about the relationships in my life. You know nothing about my life or the people in it! Are you really this thick?

Kirun_sl said:

Just a bunch of contrived bullshit that you learned in your feminism rallies that your wife drags you to.

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Glad you're keeping the streak going. Still at 100% incorrect assumptions about me. Never been to a feminism rally in my life, nor has my wife.

Kirun_sl said:

After which, she makes you swallow the cum of the dude banging her on the side.

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Way to keep it classy, man.

Kirun_sl said:

You've long since sold yourself to this ridiculous idea that women should get all the perks of being a male, yet none of the downsides.

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I guess you haven't really read any of my posts, have you? You're just getting a kick out of trolling, which is fine, I suppose. For anyone else who's reading, however, I never claimed women should get "none of the downsides" of being a male. Feminists believe women should go to war, work dangerous jobs, etc.

Kirun_sl said:

Congrats! What's it like being owned by your wife, slave?

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I wouldn't know. What's it like being mentally challenged?

Kirun_sl said:

You've been schooling this cuckold all over this thread, but that's basically game, set, and match.

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Actually, Trollface took me up on my challenge and started making valid points. You, on the other hand, continue to scrape the bottom of the barrel and make yourself look like an idiot.

Kirun_sl said:

I'm dying to hear about all these "imbalances" women have to deal with. Please tell me what makes women's lives so difficult in modern society.

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From the article I linked:

Part Two: Why Claiming that Sexism Isn't Real Is a Sexist Thing to Say

Palum_sl said:

Really the only argument here sans trolling on both sides is that you refuse to accept the fact that you are either A) so emotionally needy that you only really relate to women, B) are trying to save face because you now realize upon closer introspection that you were 'hanging out' with chicks for years with the subconscious hope that they would eventually just love you C) are full of shit and exaggerating your innumerable sunshine friend-dates scrapbooking and seeing scenery or whatever.

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I totally relate to women, but it has nothing to do with emotional neediness. It has more to do with the fact that I don't consider them shoe-obsessed, emotionally explosive, bat-shit crazy thunder cunts like most of you guys do.

Now, to be honest, there are several girls who I hung out with and was totally attracted to. In some cases, this actually led to something. In some cases, it didn't. In most cases, I appreciated these girls enough to value their company and want to keep them as friends either way. Some of you guys refuse to believe this is even possible, but I'm done trying to justify it. The points have been made, either you believe them or you don't.

Eomer_sl said:

I'll go with that. Take athletics for example. Anyone going to argue that men are not simply physiologically superior in virtually all disciplines there? You'd be a fucking moron to argue that women do worse at athletics because of bias, and not because of biological differences in the sexes.

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I don't think anybody's ever argued that. Ever.

Eomer_sl said:

Why then is it not okay to argue the same for more intellectual pursuits? Is it so hard to believe that there might be physiological/psychological differences there as well?

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Well, for one thing, if this were the case it would have been quantifiably proven many times over. Never has. On the other hand, it's fairly common knowledge that girls are performing better scholastically than boys at the moment. To be clear, I'm not saying women are smarter than men, but if you're going to suggest that men may be inherently smarter than women you'd better have something to back that up with, especially when current trends indicate the opposite.

Eomer_sl said:

That's not to say that the disparity between men and women on careers/jobs is solely explained by those differences, it's obvious that in the past and even today there's certainly biases in our society. But expecting full equality is simply not realistic, even if men and women truly are 100% equal, if only because of pregnancy and child rearing. So long as significant numbers of women chose to have children, females as a group are going to fall behind in career pursuits. That in and of itself is a massive detriment to career ambitions, and nothing will ever change that.

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All feminism is asking is that we get rid of those biases we all readily admit exist, not that women be given special treatment in any way.

Eomer_sl said:

It's not self-serving, or bigoted. It's reality.

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Sorry, the "maybe men really are just smarter than women" bit was pretty bigoted and self-serving.