Famm
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Because it forces some men to admit that they aren't attractive to most of the many women they have orbited.
Why do men keep putting me in the Girlfriend-zone?
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Well, these aren't your everyday vapid, dumb cunts either. They're outdoorsy, smart, science-y chicks that can hold their own. We also work in the same lab and it would be a serious faux pas for me to get a little too drunk and try to make out with one of them. I will admit that these are the first adult, platonic girlfriends I've had. When I was younger, any ancillary females that would hang out with me and my group of friends would always, always end up getting banged by somebody.
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just because you can control yourself from dryhumping their legs doesnt mean you have platonic friendships going on. all men with normal sex drives keep a running score in their head. women you want to bang, women you need to bang, women you can casuallly say, "id hit that", women you would would bang in a pinch, women you would bang if shitfaced drunk and "holy shit, kill it with fire!" women.
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Way over the top? C'mon, man, that hurts. Anyway, if life has taught me anything, it's that I'm not special. Anything I've done, any thought I've had, any experience I've been through has all been done countless times before by countless people. I might be in a minority of many categories, but I'm not special. If we were talking about other stuff, stuff that didn't challenge some people's masculinity, like the glory days of SNES gaming or the most disturbingly captivating Japanese movies, I'd have the grand majority of people on my side because we're all huge nerds and that's why we're here. But I decided I'd defend what I knew would be an unpopular stance and I'm taking the brunt of whatever you fuckers have to dish out because, hey, who gives a shit?
I can agree with all that. I don't have a daughter, but if I did I would want to keep her as far away from all boys for as long as possible, simply because I actually assume most guys are not like me.
Honestly, this seems to be a fundamental difference between human beings. To me, there is no problem or contradiction with that statement. Assuming there will never be any fucking means, whatever my carnal desires, I can still enjoy the friendship for what it is (although it's very much worth pointing out that I am not attracted to ALL my female friends). If you don't get it, what can I tell you?
Haha I get it, art degree.
Laugh all you want, second-best years of my life.
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Perhaps you are confused as to the definition of platonic.
Platonic: of, relating to, or being a relationship marked by the absence of romance or sex
Just because I acknowledge in the back of my head that a married, female friend has a fantastic pair of tits doesn't mean we can't have a platonic relationship.
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In before Tanoomba explains how fantasizing about female friends is a form of rape.
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I think one of the issues here is that platonic and friendship mean different things for men and women. I would say for most men it is possible for them to have sexual relationship with some of their female friends and be perfectly fine with it never going beyond that point. I would even go so far as to say for some men the deepest level of friendship would come with the shared sexual relationship.
This line of thought requires that you subscribe to the idea of sexual friendships which are wholly different from actual in love relationships but if you can do so I think this would help women understand men better.
This line of thought requires that you subscribe to the idea of sexual friendships which are wholly different from actual in love relationships but if you can do so I think this would help women understand men better.
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Not once have I ever jerked off thinking about her tits, so I stand by it being platonic.
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We've been over this before, but it's becoming a long thread so I'll give everyone the benefit of the doubt.
According todictionary.com:
1) That if you think a girl is hot, you, by dictionary standards, do not have a platonic relationship with her;
2) That whether or not your relationship with a female qualifies as a dictionary-accurate version of "platonic" is irrelevant if you consider her a friend and she considers you a friend.
3) That the definition actuallyemphasizesplatonic as being applicable to a relationship between men and women, which kind of goes against several people's point that "men and women can't have a platonic relationship".
No, seriously, OK... so?
So I have friends I'd like to see naked. I also have friends I have no interest in seeing naked. I have friends I have seen naked and friends I have never or will never see naked. I have people that aren't friends who I have seen naked. To me this is an arbitrary point. Whether or not someone is my friend has no connection to whether or not I want to or have ever or will ever see them naked. These are two separate categories that are not mutually exclusive. Again, this is hard for some people to grasp. Some will point out the above definition and say "Look! She's not your platonic friend if the idea of her naked is something that sparks curiosity in you!" I say "So what?" Call her whatever you want. I call her my friend, she calls me her friend, we're both totally cool with that. If it makes you comfortable to say we're kidding each other or we're pathetic or we don't know what we're talking about, then fine. Believe what you want. I personally think the pleasure I derive from life is increased because I accept attractive females into my circle of friends. You can't argue with what I see as making my life better, you just can't.
I dunno, it's been suggested by a good buddy (male) that maybe I just see too much good in everything. Maybe it's some kind of bizarre character flaw that I actually enjoy being friends with an awesome person who I also happen to be attracted to. Maybe I am in the freakish minority, although I find this hard to believe since, as I said, I'm not special. But if my flaw is that I'm able to enjoy and derive value from aspects of life that the rest of you are outright cutting out or dismissing altogether, then I'm suffering from one of the best flaws anyone could ever have.
According todictionary.com:
From which we should actually take 3 points:
1) That if you think a girl is hot, you, by dictionary standards, do not have a platonic relationship with her;
2) That whether or not your relationship with a female qualifies as a dictionary-accurate version of "platonic" is irrelevant if you consider her a friend and she considers you a friend.
3) That the definition actuallyemphasizesplatonic as being applicable to a relationship between men and women, which kind of goes against several people's point that "men and women can't have a platonic relationship".
Is this a jab at the fact that I mentioned "rape culture" several posts back? I'm not sure, because I never actually started labeling things as "rape", but if this is the case then I guess you're also telling me that "rape culture" either isn't a thing or is something worth making fun of. Either is pretty creepy by my standards, but whatever floats your boat, man.
OK.
No, seriously, OK... so?
So I have friends I'd like to see naked. I also have friends I have no interest in seeing naked. I have friends I have seen naked and friends I have never or will never see naked. I have people that aren't friends who I have seen naked. To me this is an arbitrary point. Whether or not someone is my friend has no connection to whether or not I want to or have ever or will ever see them naked. These are two separate categories that are not mutually exclusive. Again, this is hard for some people to grasp. Some will point out the above definition and say "Look! She's not your platonic friend if the idea of her naked is something that sparks curiosity in you!" I say "So what?" Call her whatever you want. I call her my friend, she calls me her friend, we're both totally cool with that. If it makes you comfortable to say we're kidding each other or we're pathetic or we don't know what we're talking about, then fine. Believe what you want. I personally think the pleasure I derive from life is increased because I accept attractive females into my circle of friends. You can't argue with what I see as making my life better, you just can't.
I dunno, it's been suggested by a good buddy (male) that maybe I just see too much good in everything. Maybe it's some kind of bizarre character flaw that I actually enjoy being friends with an awesome person who I also happen to be attracted to. Maybe I am in the freakish minority, although I find this hard to believe since, as I said, I'm not special. But if my flaw is that I'm able to enjoy and derive value from aspects of life that the rest of you are outright cutting out or dismissing altogether, then I'm suffering from one of the best flaws anyone could ever have.
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This is the root of your gender relational problems right here. But its beyond the scope of this thread and this board to address, and I'm not the poster to do it. Good luck with your gender equalism nonsense though.
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Naw, man, you've sparked my curiosity, really. What are you trying to say?
I'm especially intrigued as to the fact that what you call my "problems" I consider to be "benefits" in every sense of the word. Can you imagine a better place than this thread to make this point, whatever it is? I'd love to hear it.
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Yeah, man, this isn't a scientific study. Everything all of us is saying is based on our life experiences. In a way, it makes it more "pure" than a debate about Ron Paul or feminism or whatever. But on the other hand, it means each of us is that much less likely to hear anything anybody else has to say about the subject. Are we all just wasting our time? I guess it's possible.
I'm having fun, though. Aren't you?
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Only you can be the judge of that. begging the question turns off my boner though unless there is a humour to it. It is a bigger turn off when someone doesn't know when to get off their high horse.