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speaking of amazon,
they don't even try to have american names no more huh?
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Good thing I ordered some extra PNY drives along with that Samsung one. The delivery bag with the Samsung wasn't sealed, like the heat seal or whatever, so the bag was empty with no drive in it. Two PNY were in another baggy and are fine. Guess I'll go start a chat with Jagatheesh and get my replacement sent.

Looks like Rufus is working 100% with this new drive so should be good to go.
 

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This has been something of a huge pain in the ass. For whatever reason the Windows 11 ISO from Microsoft had 0 drivers for my motherboard. It is just an Asus Z-690P which shouldn't be an oddball one. Had to go back and forth between my work laptop and desktop moving over different driver versions for it to finally detect my NVME drives (still missing my SATA drive), my LAN, and my Wifi. Now my Alienware Ultrawide is giving me issues not waking up from standby. It isn't recognizing my product key...

There was a point in my life where troubleshooting stuff was fun, but now it just needs to work. I'm old and grumpy.
 
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Kajiimagi

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This has been something of a huge pain in the ass. For whatever reason the Windows 11 ISO from Microsoft had 0 drivers for my motherboard. It is just an Asus Z-690P which shouldn't be an oddball one. Had to go back and forth between my work laptop and desktop moving over different driver versions for it to finally detect my NVME drives (still missing my SATA drive), my LAN, and my Wifi. Now my Alienware Ultrawide is giving me issues not waking up from standby. It isn't recognizing my product key...

There was a point in my life where troubleshooting stuff was fun, but now it just needs to work. I'm old and grumpy.
Just went through that with my MIL's PC. I thought 'wow it's been a while since I needed to fix a PC this will be fun' well FUCK NO IT WASN"T. I have a gash on the pointing finger of my left hand (and I'm left handed) from slicing it on the razor backplate. Finally had to reinstall Win 10 over itself but at least it works.

FYI any time I am doing anything I get the MOBO website and DL all the drivers to a thumb drive ahead of time. Probably preaching to the choir here.
 
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This has been something of a huge pain in the ass. For whatever reason the Windows 11 ISO from Microsoft had 0 drivers for my motherboard. It is just an Asus Z-690P which shouldn't be an oddball one. Had to go back and forth between my work laptop and desktop moving over different driver versions for it to finally detect my NVME drives (still missing my SATA drive), my LAN, and my Wifi. Now my Alienware Ultrawide is giving me issues not waking up from standby. It isn't recognizing my product key...

There was a point in my life where troubleshooting stuff was fun, but now it just needs to work. I'm old and grumpy.
I rebuilt my pc a few months ago, ran into the same problem with W11. No wifi drivers. If I didn't have the version of W11 that allows local accounts and knew the secret to get to it, I wouldn't have been able to install the OS at all. I might have been able to use the ethernet port to install, but would have had to pack all my shit down to the router. To top it all off, my mainboard has 3 different versions, not all drivers are compatible across them. I just happened to note the board revision as I was assembling it. Dark print on a black motherboard...brilliant. It would have been impossible to see with the PC assembled. And then the website was dropping corrupted driver packages.

The whole thing was as anti-user as it gets. Someone who had no experience with these issues would not have been able to have a functional PC at all.

Conversely, I put W10 on my Ryzen 5900 box. Installed and was updating in 10 minutes. 0 issues. I also but Fedora Linux on my laptop. Installed and updated in 15 minutes, 0 issues.

All this is on top if the RAM issues that caused the machine not to boot at all. The board has an offline BIOS flasher (can flash board with no CPU or ram) BUT it only sees a BIOS file with a certain file name. That name appears in exactly 0 places in the manual or on the website. Ryzen 9 sales were in the toilet, and I can guess why. The mainboard company could have included the new BIOS, thus circumventing any RAM problems. Did they? Nope.

Companies are getting very sloppy to the point where they are releasing products that have fundamental flaws (and in some cases show-stopping) in them...and they do not care.
 
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I rebuilt my pc a few months ago, ran into the same problem with W11. No wifi drivers. If I didn't have the version of W11 that allows local accounts and knew the secret to get to it, I wouldn't have been able to install the OS at all. I might have been able to use the ethernet port to install, but would have had to pack all my shit down to the router. To top it all off, my mainboard has 3 different versions, not all drivers are compatible across them. I just happened to note the board revision as I was assembling it. Dark print on a black motherboard...brilliant. It would have been impossible to see with the PC assembled. And then the website was dropping corrupted driver packages.

The whole thing was as anti-user as it gets. Someone who had no experience with these issues would not have been able to have a functional PC at all.

Conversely, I put W10 on my Ryzen 5900 box. Installed and was updating in 10 minutes. 0 issues. I also but Fedora Linux on my laptop. Installed and updated in 15 minutes, 0 issues.

All this is on top if the RAM issues that caused the machine not to boot at all. The board has an offline BIOS flasher (can flash board with no CPU or ram) BUT it only sees a BIOS file with a certain file name. That name appears in exactly 0 places in the manual or on the website. Ryzen 9 sales were in the toilet, and I can guess why. The mainboard company could have included the new BIOS, thus circumventing any RAM problems. Did they? Nope.

Companies are getting very sloppy to the point where they are releasing products that have fundamental flaws (and in some cases show-stopping) in them...and they do not care.

Similarly, the ASUS Support page I got to from the Z690P link was not the same revision / version of my board somehow. Only when I put in the serial number of my board on the support page did I get to the appropriate driver page so that it would recognize them.
 

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Support for Windows 10 will end in October 2025​

After October 14, 2025, Microsoft will no longer provide free software updates from Windows Update, technical assistance, or security fixes for Windows 10. Your PC will still work, but we recommend moving to Windows 11.

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Kharzette

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Updates shmupdates. Install win10 and use sledgehammer to kill all updates. Software only gets worse over time, not better.
 
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Kajiimagi

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I, like most peeps on this site, have too many PC's. My laptop can install Win 11, I'm going to have to replace my wife's PC but I built it about a decade ago. Think my 'media' machine is getting a version of Linux since I'm the only one that uses it. The living room one , that I'm not sure. Bought a few prebuild mini-pc's and zero of them would see my network drive. ZERO. I sent them all back. It's not a win 11 issue as this PC I'm on now sees it fine.
If gaming on any other OS at all was better I'd drop Windows like a bad habit.
 

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On a gaming PC, do I want Win 11 24H2? All I seem to read are problems with it? I keep getting a pop up as optional. Anyone else have it on their main PC (not laptop)?
 

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On a gaming PC, do I want Win 11 24H2? All I seem to read are problems with it? I keep getting a pop up as optional. Anyone else have it on their main PC (not laptop)?
Yeah, Don't go anywhere near 24h2, its fucking garbage. Seriously debating reinstalling back to win 10 from win 11 24h2 its so bad.
 
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Kajiimagi

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Dunno bro but all I read is compatibility issues. Apparently if you have any of the Assassins Creed open world games , it will hard BSOD on 24H2 so it won't even offer it up. I'll give them time to figure it out.
 
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Janx

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Dunno bro but all I read is compatibility issues. Apparently if you have any of the Assassins Creed open world games , it will hard BSOD on 24H2 so it won't even offer it up. I'll give them time to figure it out.
Definitely don't try to play poe2 with 24h2 installed. Crash city. FWIW I said fuck it to win 11 and did a clean install of 10. Just way better and dont need any 3rd party software to unfuck all the dumb shit UI changes they made.
 

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Still rocking 10 at home, parents, family, etc. PCs at work still on 10 except the most recently purchased. Between the nagware and articles in my newsfeed....windows 11. Do i gotta? :(

My windows 11 "upgrade" lasted all of 1 minute before I hit rollback. It seems made for some type of "live service"/streaming element that I just have no use for. None of the UI applies to me or anything I do with my PC. It's designed for someone else who is making use of the GUI.

Microsoft does keep a record of every opt-out. Hopefully there are millions of people who opted out and we get a Windows 10 version of Windows 12 when the time comes.