World of Warcraft: Classic

Sylas · Jul 25, 2023

Jasker said:
I think you'd have to pay for the server to clone to classic era.

No, you only had to pay to clone your character so they were available on both era and progression servers. It was free to opt to remain on era, and it was free to do nothing and your character automatically transferred to progression servers.

The server names are the same but they are completely different clusters, different clients. You access era servers via the era client and progression servers via the wotlk client.

I opted to keep my warrior and shaman on era. I did nothing with my rogue, priest, and warlock. My warrior and shaman are on era servers on whitemane horde. My rogue priest and warlock are on wrath servers, and ive since server/faction changed them over to westfall alliance.

Daezuel · Jul 25, 2023

Bruuce said:
Hell yeah bro. Joining and spamming lfg channels and that 2-3 minute from the FP to the dungeon is what makes WoW, WoW.

Only shitters with no guild or friends had to do that.

Jasker · Jul 25, 2023

Burren said:
What classes did you roll?

I mentioned in our DM's!

Burren · Jul 25, 2023

Jasker said:
I mentioned in our DM's!

Warrior was mentioned but what’s the other toon?

Needless · Jul 25, 2023

Jasker said:
I think you'd have to pay for the server to clone to classic era.

Anyone that plays on Whitemane Alliance - hit up Atlantius via mail dm or on here. Ill hook you up with some 6 or 8 slotters and give you a gold or two. I'm level 22 only atm but have some spare.

I ended up making another character on Whitemane because pagle is actually a lot less populated than i thought (i checked on a weekend, its way less populated during the week) lol so i'll probably play my warlock on there once in awhile

That servers fucking rough from 20-30ish though, between redridge, duskwood and the first part of stv its rogue ganking galore haha

Burren · Jul 25, 2023

Needless said:
I ended up making another character on Whitemane because pagle is actually a lot less populated than i thought (i checked on a weekend, its way less populated during the week) lol so i'll probably play my warlock on there once in awhile

That servers fucking rough from 20-30ish though, between redridge, duskwood and the first part of stv its rogue ganking galore haha

PvP is honestly unnecessary stress and it ruins the fun. PVE servers are massively populated and you can BG any time. The pvp revamp is going to make BGs mega popular all the time too.

Needless · Jul 25, 2023

Burren said:
PvP is honestly unnecessary stress and it ruins the fun. PVE servers are massively populated and you can BG any time. The pvp revamp is going to make BGs mega popular all the time too.

Yeah i find pvp servers to be bad in classic outside of the initial leveling of the fresh server and when phases are relevant. What pvp revamp?

Masakari · Jul 25, 2023

Burren said:
PvP is honestly unnecessary stress and it ruins the fun. PVE servers are massively populated and you can BG any time. The pvp revamp is going to make BGs mega popular all the time too.

I'll never understand why people roll on a PVP server and complain about PVP when there are so many PVE servers available. I see it all the time on Grobb, and I always remind them they voluntarily chose to play on a free for all PVP server and all the things that come with it.

Burren · Jul 25, 2023

Needless said:
Yeah i find pvp servers to be bad in classic outside of the initial leveling of the fresh server and when phases are relevant. What pvp revamp?

Essentially making everyone rank against themselves, rather than all players on their battlegroup and there is a set number of "points" you need to get to attain the next rank. There is honor decay, but only down to the starting point for your current rank, so you can't lose a rank and go backwards very far, which is nice for everyone who can't play 12 hours per day, for 8 weeks.

Needless · Jul 25, 2023

Masakari said:
I'll never understand why people roll on a PVP server and complain about PVP when there are so many PVE servers available. I see it all the time on Grobb, and I always remind them they voluntarily chose to play on a free for all PVP server and all the things that come with it.

i think the issue is really just, world pvp is fun when its relatively even in terms of levels and the amount of people fighting lol getting ganked by lvl 60s in tier2 or tier 3 is a snoozer
grobbulus was not really like that when i leveled 4 characters on it, sometimes of course but not nearly as much as classic era whiteman is

Bruuce · Jul 25, 2023

Daezuel said:
Only shitters with no guild or friends had to do that.

If you always had enough friends and guildies to fill groups, so you never had to use the dungeon finder, why does dungeon finder ruin the game for you lol

Daezuel · Jul 25, 2023

Bruuce said:
If you always had enough friends and guildies to fill groups, so you never had to use the dungeon finder, why does dungeon finder ruin the game for you lol

Everyone ends up sitting in town waiting for df to pop, game starts to feel like an afk chat room instead of a world. Classic was the most fun time of WoW because it had none of that shit.

Bruuce · Jul 25, 2023

Daezuel said:
Everyone ends up sitting in town waiting for df to pop, game starts to feel like an afk chat room instead of a world. Classic was the most fun time of WoW because it had none of that shit.

But you always had enough friends and guildies to fill your groups. This doesnt affect you.

What part of taking the flight path from the city to the closest flight path to the dungeon and then running the remaining 3-5minutes was the most fun for you?

TJT · Jul 25, 2023

Bruuce said:
But you always had enough friends and guildies to fill your groups. This doesnt affect you.

What part of taking the flight path from the city to the closest flight path to the dungeon and then running the remaining 3-5minutes was the most fun for you?

If you don't understand how the existence of such a tool would dramatically warp player behavior I don't know what to tell you.

You removed the aspect of the game that was about wandering around and finding other like minded players to play with you to overcome obstacles. As you systematized all of that away for the sake of convenience. Making the formation of such groups much more difficult and unnatural. As you are avoiding the gameplay loop that would have brought players together.

Sylas · Jul 25, 2023

You guys are being kinda retarded.

Every group that forms does so exclusively via guild chat, trade chat, general chat, or lfg chat. Or far more likely, via voice chat in discord.

It was like this in vanilla classic and its exactly the same in wrath classic.

There is a lfg tool now that you can flag yourself that you are lfg. ( you could also do this in fucking everquest back in 1999).

This is helpful for groups looking to fill a particular spot (tank, healer, dps) as it gives them a list of people to whisper without having to scroll through lfg chat which gets on average 3 paragraphs per second posted to it.

also partially filled groups can list themselves and players can message groups and ask to join.

Yes the tool allows you to just invite someone without talking to them, it also allows you to apply to a group blindly as well. You can do this outside of the lfg just as easily by a simple /who and start /inv random ppl.

No one, not a soul on gods green earth, actually does this for any content that is even remotely worthwhile.

Sylas · Jul 25, 2023

The only difference between vanilla and wrath is that wrath has more quality of life changes and the world is easier, more like a game. Vanilla is less forgiving and more like a world. But the differences are quite minor and you wouldnt notice it outside of things like hardcore challenges etc.

Gameplay, that is, the core combat loop for different classes in wrath, is however infinitely superior to vanilla in every single way.

Also raiding is vastly superior. #1 thing being no world buffs.

I'll take less challenging leveling (wrath) for dramatically improved and balanced core gameplay and raiding because leveling is a miniscule and finite amount of time ill spend playing the game vs killing shit and raiding once im level 80.

Masakari · Jul 25, 2023

Needless said:
i think the issue is really just, world pvp is fun when its relatively even in terms of levels and the amount of people fighting lol getting ganked by lvl 60s in tier2 or tier 3 is a snoozer
grobbulus was not really like that when i leveled 4 characters on it, sometimes of course but not nearly as much as classic era whiteman is

Different communities I guess. No one really ganks lowbies on our server but opposite faction twink lowbies. If a high level does decide to do it, it's usually to drum up some attention to get WPVP started.

On an unrelated note, Horde seems to be much more based and redpilled in trade chat on Grobbulus. Alliance was full of SJWs and the soyboy nerd crowd.

Masakari · Jul 26, 2023

WTF?

Bruuce · Jul 26, 2023

TJT said:
If you don't understand how the existence of such a tool would dramatically warp player behavior I don't know what to tell you.

You removed the aspect of the game that was about wandering around and finding other like minded players to play with you to overcome obstacles. As you systematized all of that away for the sake of convenience. Making the formation of such groups much more difficult and unnatural. As you are avoiding the gameplay loop that would have brought players together.

Yes when I have to run multiple dungeons, 5-10(sometimes more) times each as much as I can per week until I get the items I want, the last fucking thing I give a shit about is ensuring each member of my party is a like minded player that I met while doing an escort quest 7 levels ago that I will form a life long friendship with. Im just trying to get in and get fucking out. Especially when you start talking about alts or playing multiple chars. I have a guild I dont need more friends

Leadsalad · Jul 26, 2023

TJT said:
If you don't understand how the existence of such a tool would dramatically warp player behavior I don't know what to tell you.

You removed the aspect of the game that was about wandering around and finding other like minded players to play with you to overcome obstacles. As you systematized all of that away for the sake of convenience. Making the formation of such groups much more difficult and unnatural. As you are avoiding the gameplay loop that would have brought players together.

What tool are you complaining about?

WotLK doesn’t auto match you with people and port you to a dungeon.

And nobody in classic ever gave a group invite a 5 minute interview before adding them to the group. You just looked for a healer or a tank or 3 ranged dps with cc and then did the dungeon.

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