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It is more difficult, though. And that is why I raid, to overcome difficult challenges with a group of friends.

Again, like I said before, have you ever cleared a game more than once to see it in a different difficulty? I've finished skyrim a few times on different difficulties / different classes. Is it the same exact game? Yeah. Does that make it any less fun? Not at all.

I don't like being forced to do both LFR and Normal / Heroic, though. For example, I'm working on the cloak quest for my alt and right now I have to do LFR and Normal ToT for more chances at Secrets to drop. That sucks. Is it enough to bitch about? No. Enough to quit over? No. I don'thaveto do it, but I'll do it if I can get the cloak faster.
 
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You know what else is difficult? Coloring within the lines for a retard. Doesn't mean it's hard for everyone Toxxulian.
 
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I would have said "that would stupid considering most people wouldn't be able to consume the new end game content" but they have LFR now so I don't see why they couldn't release an SoV style expansion. They could put in a whole new 1-90 levelling experience in it too for alt toons.
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They should just make legacy raids scale with levels and numbers of people so you can just do raids all the way up to each expansion's leveling cap. Leveling via doing MC then complete it, then you unlock BC etc. Then once you hit 60, you do TBC raids.

Make it like Rift's Instant Adventures. That would be kind of fun.
 
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Dumar_sl said:
But itis, and that's the problem. You've seen the dragon. It doesn't matter if it has an additional phase or does more dps. You made it, you've seen him, and you killed him. That's it. There's no reason to do normal or hard modes because you've experienced the dragon already.

They wonder why they're dropping subs left and right - fucking duh? Blizzard is full of absolute stupidity now.
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Dumar's right. Unless you're an elitist, a purist or just some dipshit the majority of people who do LFR think they beat the game. Just like someone who beat Gears of War on easy says they beat the game and they don't give a shit about higher difficulty levels.

Unfortunately for Blizz, they want your sub, just not the box sale.
 
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Dumar_sl said:
But itis, and that's the problem. You've seen the dragon. It doesn't matter if it has an additional phase or does more dps. You made it, you've seen him, and you killed him. That's it. There's no reason to do normal or hard modes because you've experienced the dragon already.
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If MMOs were about witnessing pixelated death animations instead of the journey, you'd be right.

But what I get out of progression and finally defeating a heroic Ragnaros or Lich King or Lei Shen has nothing to do with "seeing the fight". When I'm in Mumble reminiscing with 30 or so guildies about the weeks it took us to finally kill something, it's the overall experience we're talking about.

LFR is about consumption. Raiding is about progression. I really don't care if people like you have forgotten what the latter means, as long as that content is still being produced.

And on that note, the progression raiding content that Blizzard has produced for MoP has been fucking great and a very pleasant surprise (both in terms of quantity and quality) after the shitfest that was Dragon Soul.
 
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LFR is about consumption. Raiding is about progression. I really don't care if people like you have forgotten what the latter means, as long as that content is still being produced.
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There has to be areasonto progress, a reason to throw yourself against the brick wall and crack it a little each time. Cloak of flames? Seeing Sleepers? What's thereasonfor killing Heroic Rag? Just for the fact of killing Heroic Rag or the achievement that pops up telling you you did?

That's not progression to anything or to anywhere. I used to raid hardcore, and I haven't forgotten what progression means, and hard mode raiding in WoW is nowhere close to it because there's no impetus for doing it, just doing it for doing its sake.

It's cool, like beating Doom on nightmare, but it's still the same thing, same dragon. It's not progressing through new content.
 
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Dumar_sl said:
There has to be areasonto progress, a reason to throw yourself against the brick wall and crack it a little each time. Cloak of flames? Seeing Sleepers? What's thereasonfor killing Heroic Rag? Just for the fact of killing Heroic Rag or the achievement that pops up telling you you did?

That's not progression to anything or to anywhere. I used to raid hardcore, and I haven't forgotten what progression means, and hard mode raiding in WoW is nowhere close to it.
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Well grats, but I think you have completely forgotten.

At some point I guess it stopped being fun? I gave you thereasonto progress and that's the fun and common sense of accomplishment you get from killing shit as a team.

I'm guessing somewhere along the way, you lost that connection. Maybe your 'team' was overrun by dipshits or you simply lost interest in that kind of content, because I can tell you that your assessment of the content itself is laughable. It's as difficult and engaging as it has always been; in fact, it's evolved out of necessity as raiders have become more sophisticated.

The only thing that has changed when it comes to 'hardcore raiding' is you.
 
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I haven't changed. I enjoyed killling big, bad dragons to see bigger, badder dragons. Instead, I got the same dragon with a heroic label.

And with LFR, I can afk and experience the same dragons. As much effort as not killing them is required to kill them.

When that 'accessibility' was added was where I lost the connection, and the problem I'm describing.
 
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I love how that is the only thing you can say. Who gives a shit what the population is? Honestly.

Did it matter when EQ was out during its prime and there were 500k subs? Did wow seem more populated with 20 times that? No. As long as there are enough people playing that I can group with raid with and pvp with I'm happy. And you know what? That's going to be the case for a very very long time. You can either deal with that or get the fuck out. Get some new material for fuck sake.
 
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Draegan_sl

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Itzena_sl said:
So you're lazy and therefore Blizzard has to fuck over 95% of their playerbase to stop giving you an excuse to be lazy?
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For a lot of people, when you trivialize content, with easier difficulty levels (i.e. LFR, Normal, Heroic) then those people fell less inclined to see the challenge or really care about it. Part of the exclusivity is seeing and doing the content that other people might not be able to.

It's different than a single player game. In a single player game, you are essentially competing by yourself against yourself. You only compare individual experiences with friends. However in a shared online space, where you doing this with others, compare experiences with not only your friends but with strangers and the community at large in a single server and in the game as a whole, make content easier for those "who just want access" takes a way the importance of the raid.
 
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kudos_sl said:
Hear that guys? Population doesn't matter in an MMO! Toxxulian has decided for us all!
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And that is the response I was expecting. Congrats.

Draegan_sl said:
For a lot of people, when you trivialize content, with easier difficulty levels (i.e. LFR, Normal, Heroic) then those people fell less inclined to see the challenge or really care about it. Part of the exclusivity is seeing and doing the content that other people might not be able to.
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The thing is, those that clear LFR and think that is all they need to do would never had raided normal / heroic anyways.
 
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Toxxulian_sl said:
The thing is, those that clear LFR and think that is all they need to do would never had raided normal / heroic anyways.
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I was in a top 10 guild at one time and I only do LFR since it released. Raiding hasn't been worth it since LFR was released. I only raided to see the content.
 
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Toxxulian_sl

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We've already covered this. You make stuff up to prove a point. Most people have you on ignore anyways, clearly your point means nothing.
 
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Toxxulian_sl said:
We've already covered this. You make stuff up to prove a point. Most people have you on ignore anyways, clearly your point means nothing.
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Keep thinking I'm making it up if it helps you prove your "point" whatever it may be. The fact you keep quoting me defeats the whole purpose of their ignore feature anyways.
 
Cybsled

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If I see, experience, kill Nagafen, then I saw, experienced, and killed Nagafen as he exists in the world. I didn't do LFG Nagafen or Heroic Mode Nagafen - none of that shit matters. I experienced Nagafen.
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How about patches that completely changed a boss? Or killing the boss before most of your raid hit level cap? It's basically the same thing if the boss was nerfed or the strat got leaked to the masses. You did the "easy mode" version of the boss while the rest of the bleeding edge did it "hardcore mode". That goes for Nagafen as well.
 
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Cybsled_sl said:
How about patches that completely changed a boss? Or killing the boss before most of your raid hit level cap? It's basically the same thing if the boss was nerfed or the strat got leaked to the masses. You did the "easy mode" version of the boss while the rest of the bleeding edge did it "hardcore mode". That goes for Nagafen as well.
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In the end he still killed Nagafen though.
 
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