Writers Guild Strike 2023

Ishad · May 5, 2023

Black Mirror, Mr. Robot, s1 of westworld, true detective, justified, the Americans, the good place, homeland, Barry, the boys, bojack horseman

zzeris · May 5, 2023

Chukzombi said:
Breaking Bad, Better Call Saul, the first 3 seasons of Game Of Thrones. the Matt Smith years of Dr Who. first 2 seasons of Arrow and first season of Flash. First season of Gotham. lots of good stuff.

Breaking Bad was 15 years ago bud. Better Call is an offshoot of that great show so is that new content? Game of Thrones was copying a fantastic set of books and came out 12 years ago. Arrow is based off a comic book and came out 11 years ago. Gotham, Flash, same thing and 8 years ago. So, you're saying there's been lots of fantastic shows with very little new creative content about a decade ago. Ok, how about the past decade? Can we see anything that isn't a variation of old content during this Golden Age?

Hateyou · May 5, 2023

Arcane and Spiderverse!

Arbitrary · May 5, 2023

zzeris said:
Breaking Bad was 15 years ago bud. B

I liked Severence.

zzeris · May 5, 2023

Hateyou said:
Arcane and Spiderverse!

Those are good answers as were a few of Ishad's but Golden Age? LMAO. There's a reason Chuk's list didn't have anything in the past 8 years. There just hasn't been much quality during that timeframe. Especially since the options available are much more numerous than in years past.

moonarchia · May 5, 2023

Chukzombi said:
when i was a teen, i used to write short stories about nightmares i had as a kid. i would let my friends read them and they liked them fine. i still come up with ideas, i even once had a story published. i never pursued it further though. writing can be fun, but you got to be in a mood to want to write the story. you cant just sit down and make an idea happen. you can make a fix for your idea, but the idea itself has to come to you from some experience you had. how can an AI have experiences and be inspired?

Ask ChatGPT.

moonarchia · May 5, 2023

Gravel said:
Had there been a horror twist at the end, it would've been perfect, implementing an AI horror in a coffee shop story embedded in the AI generated story.

Could've called it AInception.

Einception.

moonarchia · May 5, 2023

zzeris said:
We may be at peak though. As life has gotten easier, creativity has definitely seen a nosedive. Just like the internet providing almost unlimited previous knowledge hasn’t produced positive results, the extra time allowed people to use their creative talent has not provided better content. The content is embarrassingly shallow as people promote their diversity religion far more than their limited talent sets. I see almost nothing produced today that would be a significant hurdle to AI copying from past content.

Creativity is always downstream from conflict. We had a good 50 year run after WW2, but good times -> weak men -> hard times. Cultural excess and lack of meaningful conflict has dulled imaginations across the board. On the plus side the hard men are coming, and not in a way Foler will enjoy!

Edaw · May 5, 2023

moonarchia said:
Einception.

moonarchia · May 5, 2023

Edaw said:
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Edaw · May 5, 2023

moonarchia said:
AILF?

This is an AILF

Chukzombi · May 5, 2023

zzeris said:
Breaking Bad was 15 years ago bud. Better Call is an offshoot of that great show so is that new content? Game of Thrones was copying a fantastic set of books and came out 12 years ago. Arrow is based off a comic book and came out 11 years ago. Gotham, Flash, same thing and 8 years ago. So, you're saying there's been lots of fantastic shows with very little new creative content about a decade ago. Ok, how about the past decade? Can we see anything that isn't a variation of old content during this Golden Age?

Those shows crossed over into the last ten years and those adaptatations probably could not have been made before then. HBO really broke ground with programs like The Wire and The Sopranos and inspired other more gritty and realistic dramas which were still around in the last ten or so years. That all being said. I don't know what's worthwhile anymore because I just don't care that much. I know Stranger Things, first season of Jessica Jones, Luther, Sherlock, Broadchurch and Ripper Street were great shows.

Rabbit_Games · May 5, 2023

Boardwalk Empire was fucking awesome. Firefly, too. But today? I'm almost afraid to start a new show because I'll get partway into the first episode and be like, "Ah! There's 'The Message'!" And I'm done.

Gurgeh · May 5, 2023

Mist said:
The model doesn't train/evolve in real time. Even if they were to ingest 10x more drivel from the internet as a dataset to train the GPT-5 model, the odds that it will produce 10x better, "more creative" results is very low.

There's a very good chance that we're near the limit of what you can do with LLM transformer architecture without some radical new advancement on top of transformers. There's still no real "knowledge" architecture or reasoning engine, it's just all weighted pattern matching.

It's not a novella, it's a novel. 33k words so far and 28k of them are actually pretty good. Aiming for 120-130k. Out of 4 serious attempts to write a novel in my life, it's going the best so far. It's a slightly goofy story set during the next big tech boom, when the technologies in the headlines today (crypto, metaverse, autonomous vehicles, AI, wearable OLED, headsets and 3D display tech) have matured modestly but nowhere near what was hyped, and are now just consumer gadgets and corporate IT systems that drive us nuts. No dystopia and no world-ending big bad, but a hopefully clever set of protagonists and an interesting antagonist AI that I think hasn't quite been done before.

When I am done, I will be releasing it for free, retaining the rights.

It's also about 20% about MMO-style games and addiction. There's a not-very-thinly veiled reference to the Sleeper, and a ton of WoW references too.

Aside from some help with getting names right (especially getting Indian and Middle Eastern names correct) and some advanced thesaurus abilities, ChatGPT has not been very useful, despite the fact that the main idea for the protagonist and antagonist came to me within minutes after interacting with ChatGPT.

I believe it's going to be like 'self driving' cars, it's going to hit a wall fairly soon, and won't ever compete with 80 iq people. At least not until some major theoritical breakthrough.

Gravel · May 5, 2023

Chukzombi said:
Those shows crossed over into the last ten years and those adaptatations probably could not have been made before then. HBO really broke ground with programs like The Wire and The Sopranos and inspired other more gritty and realistic dramas which were still around in the last ten or so years. That all being said. I don't know what's worthwhile anymore because I just don't care that much. I know Stranger Things, first season of Jessica Jones, Luther, Sherlock, Broadchurch and Ripper Street were great shows.

Geez, even Stranger Things was 7 years ago. Jessica Jones 8 years.

Outside of the mention of The Bear, does anyone have an example from the 2020's?

Mahes · May 5, 2023

Dark (If you say this show was not good, Fuck Off).

Wait 2020's? The Magicians ended then, same with Dark.

I would also add Andor to the list as that was a big surprise.

The Last Kingdom was another one I enjoyed even if it did go Woke a bit at the end.

Aldarion · May 5, 2023

Dark was great but Dark fans give it way too much fucking leeway for that complete copout of an ending.

Still best scifi I've seen on TV in maybe 10 years. But fuck that non ending.

Mahes · May 5, 2023

I will also add the first 4 seasons of Yellowstone. I have not watched season 5 but I am understanding that it kind of went off the rails a bit.

spronk · May 5, 2023

Succession
Strange New Worlds
Andor
Peacemaker
For all Mankind
Invincible
Severance
Dark
Poker Face

The issue is that there is just SO MUCH CRAP out there right now that finding a good show is literally diamond in a pile of dino shit. It used to be maybe 1 good show for every 10 bad shows, now its more like 1 to 100. With the writers strike and streamers tightening up that era of absolute crap is over though, the ratio should drop back down a bit again but I doubt it'll ever be as good as before because only like 10% of shows are now written for straight men, 50% towards women, and 40% towards ??

2011 though was probably peak golden age TV, that year had Breaking Bad, Mad Men, Black Sails, Spartacus, Game of Thrones, Parks & Rec, early Archer, 30 Rock, Boardwalk Empire, Community.

zzeris · May 5, 2023

Aldarion said:
Dark was great but Dark fans give it way too much fucking leeway for that complete copout of an ending.

Still best scifi I've seen on TV in maybe 10 years. But fuck that non ending.

Dark is a good example except it was written by German dudes. Stranger Things is a good example. People are conflating some good TV still being around with creative effort and that's not exactly true. When was the last Sopranos, The Wire, Firefly, Lost, BSG, The Shield, etc? That was truly a golden age in TV.

spronk , has some other good examples. That age has ended folks.

Last Kingdom and Magicians are copying other's work. While that's mostly what TV does, the argument is that these people deserve increased pay because of their creative efforts, which is laughable. They can't even copy anymore without inserting some kind of diversity message. Look at LotR stuff and Jordan's WoT series for examples. Look at Witcher.

Edit- Spronk has the right of it. It's more like 1 out of 100 shows is great but they need better pay? What for? Giving us more garbage?

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