Yesterday was my dog's 4th birthday.

I like dogs. That is all.

Cad_sl said:

If you have an animal around that you are physically incapable of restraining/stopping without a firearm, you are stupid. These are animals.

Why have a large dog that you couldn't stop if it did flip out, instead of a small dog that you could stop? Whats the point?

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Pits aren't really that big, they top out at about 40 lbs normally. The idea that they are unstoppable monsters is hype. I'd have to ask anyone incapable of restraining a 40-50 lb dog if they even lift.

Xarpolis_sl said:

And to those of you comparing our pit to golden retrievers or dachshund, way to let the media corrupt your mind.

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The media? I can look at the two dogs and tell that one is bred to do damage and one is bred to go swimming. Tell me what the fuck were pits bred to do? Note, I've never said they were bred to attack humans, but they are bred to attack and that's what they are physically best suited to do.

I really don't know why anyone would choose this breed over all the choices out there, not talking to you specifically since you already described how you got this dog. It just seems like so many people who love to defend their pit's reputation any chance they get. Let's see, I want a dog and have a family. I could get a golden or a lab or a nice chill mixed breed and train them generally and never think twice and not have people walk on the other side of the street when they see me. Or I could get a pit and have people be uncomfortable bringing their kids to my house unless the dog is locked up, then proceed to lecture people about their ignorance every chance I get if they dare express any reservations about my choice of breed. Seems to me like pit owners tend to be ghetto/trailer trash who are drawn to the power/danger/respect (fear) that the breed brings, or self righteous douchebags who can't wait to white knight the breed every chance they get.

chaos_sl said:

I think the word you were looking for was "rarely" but instead you used "regularly", which is strange.

http://www.cdc.gov/homeandrecreation...ogbreeds-a.pdf

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http://www.cdc.gov/HomeandRecreation...revention.html


How about you link the page where you got it from instead of just searching for a single article? Selection bias?

Here is a good place to start:
http://www.cdc.gov/homeandrecreationalsafety/

CDC Dog Bite Prevention_sl said:

How big is the problem?

About4.5 million people are bitten by dogs each year.
Almost one in five of those who are bitten :a total of885,000: require medical attentionfor dog bite-related injuries.
In 2006, more than31,000 people underwent reconstructive surgeryas a result of being bitten by dogs.

Who is most at risk?

Children: Among children, the rate of dog bite?related injuries is highest for those ages 5 to 9 years, and children are more likely than adults to receive medical attention for dog bites than adults. Recent research shows that the rate of dog?bite related injuries among children seems to be decreasing.
Adult Males: Among adults, males are more likely than females to be bitten.
People with dogs in their homes: Among children and adults,having a dog in the household is associated with a higher incidence of dog bites.As the number of dogs in the home increases, so does the incidence of dog bites. Adults with two or more dogs in the household are five times more likely to be bitten than those living without dogs at home.

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http://www.cdc.gov/HomeandRecreation...revention.html

How do you like them apples?

Chris_sl said:

It's unlikely that one dog will turn, but across the thousands and thousands of dogs you'll get enough unlikely events for a good few dog death news stories per year. The data you linked for the USA shows one or two deaths every month which I would personally describe as regularly but of course it's a little subjective as to which word you would use.

Your data also shows Pitbulls having the first or second highest kills despite them probally not being the most popular breed of dog. I wouldn't risk it.

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Bro, that is the very definition of "not regularly". Across thousands/millions of dogs and people you have a handful of incidents. Of course you get a couple of news stories about it, media gonna media. It is not a plague descending upon our great nation, it is a few incidents about which we don't know the facts. Any dog attack is the exception, not the rule. Any any death due to a dog attack is the extreme outlier.

Izo_sl said:

http://www.cdc.gov/HomeandRecreation...revention.html


How about you link the page where you got it from instead of just searching for a single article? Selection bias?

Here is a good place to start:
http://www.cdc.gov/homeandrecreationalsafety/




http://www.cdc.gov/HomeandRecreation...revention.html

How do you like them apples?

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I like them fine. You keep fagging it up and assuming I am saying something that I am not saying. I thought we decided to be bros?

Here is more:
http://www.cdc.gov/HomeandRecreation...factsheet.html

CDC Dog Bite: Fact Sheet_sl said:

Each year, 800,000 Americans seek medical attention for dog bites; half of these are children.
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Never leave infants or young children alone with any dog.
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Do not play aggressive games with your dog (e.g., wrestling).
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@chaos - found your fact page that links to your article - seems you left out important info regarding the article.

CDC Dog Bite: Fact Sheet_sl said:

It does not identify specific breeds that are most likely to bite or kill, and thus isnot appropriate for policy-making decisions related to the topic. Each year, 4.7 million Americans are bitten by dogs. These bites result in approximately 16 fatalities; about 0.0002 percent of the total number of people bitten. These relatively few fatalities offer the only available information about breeds involved in dog bites.There is currently no accurate way to identify the number of dogs of a particular breed, and consequently no measure to determine which breeds are more likely to bite or kill.

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http://www.cdc.gov/HomeandRecreation...factsheet.html

How do you like them apples?

Yes imagine that people who are fucking clueless are not treated as a leader, so the dogs show him / her who is boss instead.

chaos_sl said:

Bro, that is the very definition of "not regularly". Across thousands/millions of dogs and people you have a handful of incidents. Of course you get a couple of news stories about it, media gonna media. It is not a plague descending upon our great nation, it is a few incidents about which we don't know the facts. Any dog attack is the exception, not the rule. Any any death due to a dog attack is the extreme outlier.

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Few deaths, granted. 4.5 million people are bitten by dogs each year. Half are children. 885,000: require medical attention for dog bite-related injuries. In 2006, more than 31,000 people underwent reconstructive surgery as a result of being bitten by dogs.

How are these 'a few incidents'? Do you only consider the death of a child by a dog a problem?

Let's take Greyhounds for example. One of the biggest disclaimers in owning one is you have to be extremely careful with letting one off leash and they should probably be muzzled in public. They are prone to chase, the speed goes with out saying, and they are prone to snapping down on smaller animals which can include cats and other smaller dogs. Much of the time when I see someone with a greyhound they have it muzzled, not to say they can't be trained to behave without one or that individual dogs might have different personalities, but in general its a concern specific to the breed. Yet you can bring this up with greyhound owners and they accept its part of the breed and stems from how and why that breed was developed.

Try discussing breed specific concerns about pits and suddenly you are an ignorant jackass who blames the poor breed for every irresponsible owner. No one gets all pissy at you for pointing out what a greyhound is capable of doing, but if you call a pit an attack animal you are now a politically incorrect monster who obviously hates dogs and knows nothing at all about anything.

Juvarisx_sl said:

Yes imagine that people who are fucking clueless are not treated as a leader, so the dogs show him / her who is boss instead.

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And when that poor training is applied to a golden retriever, I can fear for my leg being humped or my face being licked with paws on my chest. When that shitty owner has a pit, I'm staying in my car until he gets his dog secured behind closed doors...

chaos_sl said:

Pits aren't really that big, they top out at about 40 lbs normally. The idea that they are unstoppable monsters is hype. I'd have to ask anyone incapable of restraining a 40-50 lb dog if they even lift.

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Babies lift?

Izo_sl said:

Here is more:
http://www.cdc.gov/HomeandRecreation...factsheet.html



@chaos - found your fact page that links to your article - seems you left out important info regarding the article.


http://www.cdc.gov/HomeandRecreation...factsheet.html

How do you like them apples?

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Again, I like apples just fine. Golden delicious. I think I specifically said I would never leave my infant alone with ANY dog. Further, it is impossible to really define a particular breed. If you go by media reports 120% of all dogs in the US would be pit bulls. Even people who know the breeds sometimes get confused between pits and staffordshire etc. Dog breeding is not really an exact thing.

Izo_sl said:

Babies lift?

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Not these pussy ass babies we are talking about here, apparently.

chaos_sl said:

Bro, that is the very definition of "not regularly". Across thousands/millions of dogs and people you have a handful of incidents. Of course you get a couple of news stories about it, media gonna media. It is not a plague descending upon our great nation, it is a few incidents about which we don't know the facts. Any dog attack is the exception, not the rule. Any any death due to a dog attack is the extreme outlier.

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Few deaths, granted. 4.5 million people are bitten by dogs each year. Half are children. 885,000: require medical attention for dog bite-related injuries. In 2006, more than 31,000 people underwent reconstructive surgery as a result of being bitten by dogs.

How are these 'a few incidents'? Do you only consider the death of a child by a dog a problem?

Izo_sl said:

Few deaths, granted. 4.5 million people are bitten by dogs each year. Half are children. 885,000: require medical attention for dog bite-related injuries. In 2006, more than 31,000 people underwent reconstructive surgery as a result of being bitten by dogs.

How are these 'a few incidents'? Do you only consider the death of a child by a dog a problem?

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Don't spam, bro. I saw your fucking post. I said a handful of incidents referencing fatalities, I was specifically addressing what Chris said. You are changing the parameters and then trying to call me out for not addressing your new metric. That shit doesn't work.

Cad_sl said:

So you'd be comfortable facing a 40-50lb crazed pit bull (or other type of dog, I'm not picking on pit bulls) with empty hands?

And I see a shit-ton of 80-100lb dogs regularly too, not just pit bulls.

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Crazed? Comfortable? Those aren't words that go together really. Do I think I could/would do it if needed? Hell yes. What I would do is take precautions to ensure the safety of myself and my kids, like never owning a dog I thought could go crazy. Or never leaving young kids alone with the dog, or whatever.

chaos_sl said:

Don't spam, bro. I saw your fucking post. I said a handful of incidents referencing fatalities, I was specifically addressing what Chris said. You are changing the parameters and then trying to call me out for not addressing your new metric. That shit doesn't work.

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I'm disappoint, bro. You dodge the difficult questions, priding yourself of answering the non-issues. Hide behind semantics all you want. Your CDC article was quoted without the info I put there - puts it in another perspective. You're 'fine' with leaving out important details?