chaos
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You would think if it were simply the breed then you would see a higher number of incidents from the problem breed. But you don't see that.
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Famm
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They have been a hot topic in the past, but now its Pit Bulls.
I see a lot of the same kinds of mindsets choosing the same breeds. Tell me, when you think "junkyard dog" what do you think of: A: Standard Schnauzer, B: Rottweiler, C: Irish Setter, D: Doberman Pinscher, E: Both B and D? Is there a historical reason for this or are people who want guard dogs just ignorant morons who don't realize you can train a beagle to keep thieves away just as easily as a mastiff...
Breeds don't matter, fuck, BRB herding some sheep with my basset hound.
Izo
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They're illegal to own in my part of the world. It's stupid to legislate on breeds - because someone will cross breed to circumvent - but that's the main reason noone talks about them here, at least. How is it in the states?
Gavinmad
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I know there are places around here where one of the terms of the lease is that you not have pit bulls. You used to be able to circumvent it by saying your dog was an American Staffordshire, but a lot of places are wise to that now and would ask to see AKC papers. There are no laws against owning specific breeds as far as I know, as long as it's a dog and not a domesticated wild animal like a wolf or coyote. When I was a kid, we used to own a dog that was either a quarter or half coyote, which was probably technically illegal.
chaos
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Who said breeds don't matter period? Of course breeds are more suited to certain tasks than others. Not much call for baiting bears/bulls with teams of pit bulls these days, though. And that has nothing to do with aggression towards humans, and the numbers seem to show that pretty clearly.
BrutulTM
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The city of Denver, CO has a pit bull ban. My sister lived there briefly with her half breed pit bull but no one ever gave her a hard time about it. She changed the breed designation on his RFID thingy from pit bull to labrador before she moved down there just to be safe though.
Famm
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I'm sure blatantly falsifying shit would work in her favor in event of any liability claims.
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Izo
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Here is the current list of illegal dogs here:
The law, here (Northern Europe), states breed similar to them are illegal as well - muscle dogs. The police have the right to put them down. The burden of proof is the owner's with regard to breed. There are more restrictions, but these are just the basics. Exceptions are police and military dogs, as well as some specific breeds for hunting. The restrictions are based on time of the day, population etc etc. Far too much for me to sit and translate anyway. The latest addendum is from 2010:
https://www.retsinformation.dk/forms...aspx?id=132416
https://www.retsinformation.dk/Forms/R0710.aspx?id=2050
Gavinmad
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Getting a bit dramatic aren't we? My parents have a black lab/pit mix, are you saying it would somehow be more dishonest to call it a labrador than to call it a pit bull?
Izo
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Police would be in their right to put it down where I live based on its pitbull part. How about that?
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My experience has been breeding a labrador with any aggressive breed will generally give you a dog that has the general appearance of the aggressive breed with the personality traits of the labrador.
My wife and I had a rott/lab mix we got as a puppy from a friend when we first started dating.
We raised that dog from barely bigger than your hand to a 120 plus pound mass of meat we could barely lift.
Raised both our kids along side that dog for 12 years. She was really good with them, would have probably died to protect them if she had to.
I really don't get the attacks on breeds of dogs. Some dogs were bred for war, police action or fighting, your rotties are literally a breed of dog developed by the Romans for use in warfare.
Its about how you train them, more than their breed. If you get a pit and you don't give it any training, it will be far more likely to express aggression. In my view, that's the owner's fault, not the dogs.
I do think there should be mandatory dog training classes and registration required for all large dog breeds, but blaming a particular breed for being overly aggressive seems a mistake to me. It really is more about the owners and their level of interaction with the dog from a young age.
No way would I ever adopt a pit bull or other large breed from the pound though. You really gotta get them young and acclimate them to your personality and control early.
My wife and I had a rott/lab mix we got as a puppy from a friend when we first started dating.
We raised that dog from barely bigger than your hand to a 120 plus pound mass of meat we could barely lift.
Raised both our kids along side that dog for 12 years. She was really good with them, would have probably died to protect them if she had to.
I really don't get the attacks on breeds of dogs. Some dogs were bred for war, police action or fighting, your rotties are literally a breed of dog developed by the Romans for use in warfare.
Its about how you train them, more than their breed. If you get a pit and you don't give it any training, it will be far more likely to express aggression. In my view, that's the owner's fault, not the dogs.
I do think there should be mandatory dog training classes and registration required for all large dog breeds, but blaming a particular breed for being overly aggressive seems a mistake to me. It really is more about the owners and their level of interaction with the dog from a young age.
No way would I ever adopt a pit bull or other large breed from the pound though. You really gotta get them young and acclimate them to your personality and control early.
Gavinmad
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Weird list. Aside from pits/amstaffs/bulls, it's all mastiffs and big herding dogs. Don't see anything about dobermans and rottweilers, but the google translate from danish to english is a bit screwy, so I'm probably losing something in translation.
But yeah, what a weird ass list of prohibited breeds.
Right, but we're talking about here in the states where Police don't need any reason to put a dog down regardless of breed.
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Dobbermans are in the second link. They're restricted severely. But I agree, legislation based on race is difficult at best. Our system is nowhere near perfect. I don't really see a different approach there. Every dog owner claims their dog is friendly and don't hurt anyone. CDC must be making up those numbers, huh?
BrutulTM
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Nothing false about it, he is just as much lab as pit bull, and I doubt anyone's going to do any DNA testing on him unless it's an extremely unusual situation. Anyway, the dog is a huge pussy and somewhat elderly so there is very little chance of him being involved in any drama. Changing the chip was just a precaution in case he had to go to a vet or something.
Gavinmad
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So what's your point? Bigger dogs are more capable of hurting people, so nobody should be allowed to own bigger dogs? Because simply put, that isn't how American culture functions. We (theoretically) don't restrict freedoms simply because the potential for abuse or danger exists.Dobbermans are in the second link. They're restricted severely. But I agree, legislation based on race is difficult at best. Our system is nowhere near perfect. I don't really see a different approach there. Every dog owner claims their dog is friendly and don't hurt anyone. CDC must be making up those numbers, huh?
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I have a Corgi-Jack Russell Terrier mix (they call them Cojacks, I refuse to do so). When I choose to have kids, do I have a bloodthirsty murder machine living with me currently just frothing at the chance to taste sweet infant flesh?
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Your only salvation is to save the placenta and feed it to him to quell his hunger for infant flesh.
Famm
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I never saw him state the first time it was a mix. And actually the honest way would to be stating both breeds. Maybe he mentioned it being a mix earlier in the thread.
chaos
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As I said, pit bull is a nebulously defined breed anyway. If you don't want it to be a pit you can call it something else. The AKC doesn't even recognize it as a breed, and UKC took forever to do so. Saying something is a pit bull is like saying that I'm Irish. Sure, that can be said to be true, but really it is hard to define. It isn't as if this is some 10,000 year old breed used to hunt, gather, or hunt and gather. It is like a couple of hundred years old at best with most of that having no regulation or real definition of what a "pit bull" is.