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Borzak

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Got a suggested video in youtube, for what reason/connection no idea. Title was X singer Y years old in 1973. I looked her up. Okay I'm old, I've never been a fan but when you see that Tanya Tucker is 12 years older than I am made me feel old. I never really thought about it but would have guessed much older.
 

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I have a 2nd ( or is it 3rd ) cousin in Scotland. He's kinda similar to me, height, sort of appearance, similar interests. I've met him a few times over the years.

He is 5 years older than me, thinking back I first met him I was 24, him 29. So not that far apart age wise.

Well he's now retired. Age 60, he's had a good paying job and low expenses life. So good for him, retiring earlier than others can.

But Jesus, that means I'm not far away. But have never even had thoughts like that . . . until now.
 

loudgas

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The prospects of retiring at 60 is almost the only thing that keeps me going, I'm just over 3 years away.
 
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moonarchia

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I have a 2nd ( or is it 3rd ) cousin in Scotland. He's kinda similar to me, height, sort of appearance, similar interests. I've met him a few times over the years.

He is 5 years older than me, thinking back I first met him I was 24, him 29. So not that far apart age wise.

Well he's now retired. Age 60, he's had a good paying job and low expenses life. So good for him, retiring earlier than others can.

But Jesus, that means I'm not far away. But have never even had thoughts like that . . . until now.
Been watching a lot of Dave Ramsey clips on YT the past couple months. With my current job and a lot more fiscal discipline I could retire pretty comfortably at 60, possibly much earlier. My main goal right now no matter what else happens is to get my mortgage paid off.
 
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Burren

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Been watching a lot of Dave Ramsey clips on YT the past couple months. With my current job and a lot more fiscal discipline I could retire pretty comfortably at 60, possibly much earlier. My main goal right now no matter what else happens is to get my mortgage paid off.
Just a heads up; Ramsey is a joke in the financial world. He pushes an agenda and gets paid. It’s not smart planning.
 
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OU Ariakas

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Just a heads up; Ramsey is a joke in the financial world. He pushes an agenda and gets paid. It’s not smart planning.

The "financial world" is a joke to the people that listen to Ramsey. He is not talking to the "financial world," he is trying to reach people that are financially illiterate and do not understand why they cannot get ahead even when they have a steady job and money coming in.
 
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moonarchia

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Just a heads up; Ramsey is a joke in the financial world. He pushes an agenda and gets paid. It’s not smart planning.
That's fair. I was aiming to pay my mortgage off before I started listening to his stuff anyways. I get that he is selling his app and books and shit, but I have enjoyed hearing the stories and I do think at a broad level his program is relatively sound and matches what folks in the stonks threads have been saying for years. Spend less. Save more. Pay off high interest debt first. Then lower debt. Then fun IRA 401k. Then house. Etc.

My work makes the 401k automatic. I put in 6%, they match and add an additional 3% on top of that so I have been putting in 15% every year for the past 7 years, and will continue to do so until I retire or they stop offering that.
 
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OU Ariakas

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That's fair. I was aiming to pay my mortgage off before I started listening to his stuff anyways. I get that he is selling his app and books and shit, but I have enjoyed hearing the stories and I do think at a broad level his program is relatively sound and matches what folks in the stonks threads have been saying for years. Spend less. Save more. Pay off high interest debt first. Then lower debt. Then fun IRA 401k. Then house. Etc.

My work makes the 401k automatic. I put in 6%, they match and add an additional 3% on top of that so I have been putting in 15% every year for the past 7 years, and will continue to do so until I retire or they stop offering that.

Don't fucking listen to anyone trying to tell you that Ramsey is a joke. You are the exact type of person that he is trying to reach. His story has not changed for 25 years and that is because he has a fantastic process for people that do not know what to do to actually increase wealth and decrease liability. He somewhat outgrows his usefulness once you start to get to the wealth accumulation side; but to the vast majority of people that are drowning in ARM's, car leases, and credit cards he is a fucking life saver. The idea that the "financial community" considers him a joke is because he threatens their dubious income stream. Why pay some blowhard 2% of your investments per year to "manage" the assets if you can just throw them in a few mutual funds that have beaten the performance of managed assets 9 years out of every 10?
 

Burren

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Spend less. Save more. Pay off high interest debt first. Then lower debt. Then fun IRA 401k. Then house. Etc.

That's fair. I was aiming to pay my mortgage off before I started listening to his stuff anyways. I get that he is selling his app and books and shit, but I have enjoyed hearing the stories and I do think at a broad level his program is relatively sound and matches what folks in the stonks threads have been saying for years. Spend less. Save more. Pay off high interest debt first. Then lower debt. Then fun IRA 401k. Then house. Etc.

My work makes the 401k automatic. I put in 6%, they match and add an additional 3% on top of that so I have been putting in 15% every year for the past 7 years, and will continue to do so until I retire or they stop offering that.
Yes, spend less, save more. Just be careful of the rest he talks about. He - and the advisors that follow him like a cult - make their money on AUM (assets under management). The more a person does nothing but that, the more those advisors make. And trust me, it is a cult with them.

Does sound like you're on the right track and doing well though.
 

Burren

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Don't fucking listen to anyone trying to tell you that Ramsey is a joke. You are the exact type of person that he is trying to reach. His story has not changed for 25 years and that is because he has a fantastic process for people that do not know what to do to actually increase wealth and decrease liability. He somewhat outgrows his usefulness once you start to get to the wealth accumulation side; but to the vast majority of people that are drowning in ARM's, car leases, and credit cards he is a fucking life saver. The idea that the "financial community" considers him a joke is because he threatens their dubious income stream. Why pay some blowhard 2% of your investments per year to "manage" the assets if you can just throw them in a few mutual funds that have beaten the performance of managed assets 9 years out of every 10?
*eye roll* you do you bud.
 

moonarchia

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Don't fucking listen to anyone trying to tell you that Ramsey is a joke. You are the exact type of person that he is trying to reach. His story has not changed for 25 years and that is because he has a fantastic process for people that do not know what to do to actually increase wealth and decrease liability. He somewhat outgrows his usefulness once you start to get to the wealth accumulation side; but to the vast majority of people that are drowning in ARM's, car leases, and credit cards he is a fucking life saver. The idea that the "financial community" considers him a joke is because he threatens their dubious income stream. Why pay some blowhard 2% of your investments per year to "manage" the assets if you can just throw them in a few mutual funds that have beaten the performance of managed assets 9 years out of every 10?
I don't mind if people hate on him. Doesn't really matter to me either way. I was looking into FIRE a few years ago, and started to at least get some education on things. I don't have any CCs, learned I am not responsible enough for those when I was in college. Got in way over my head. Got all of that paid off 20 years ago. I own my car. I haven't been living paycheck to paycheck for a long ass time, but I do still have a few bad habits to fix that would allow me to save a lot more.

Paying off my mortgage is my goal because it just makes sense. I got it at the worst possible point last year, though with rates going up the way they have been despite the feds cutting I am probably shit out of luck on a refi in the near future. It is my biggest line item on my monthly expenses. Owning would cut $1750, which I would turn right around and put into my IRA and 401k.
 

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If your sitting on a mil and no “real” debt, Ramsay is not for you.

If your just treading water for years and wonder WTF? Yes he is a good choice to consider.
 
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Haus

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Ramsey isn't here to teach "Getting ahead financial master classes", he's teaching "Your parents and schools failed to teach you financial literacy, let's get you at least to financial stability"

With that said, I'm also in the "thinking about how many years until retired/shifting to a low stress "hobby job". Goals will be to retire on land with a house, and have two rental houses generating income, all with no mortgage debt. I'm pretty much where I could pull the trigger on all that now, but it would subsequently deplete more of the investment reserves than I'd like.

Also, thanks to a good ESPP program at work, 401k, aggressive saving/investing outside that, and having a low cost lifestyle it would be "doable" right now, it will be "comfortable" if I can keep this level of accumulation up 2 or maybe 3 more years. I'm in my mid 50's now.

As for what really makes me feel old... Wednesday before thanksgiving I got up early, and stayed up late to get turkeys and a brisket smoked. Didn't get to be until around 1am Thanksgiving morning, and even after letting myself "catch up" with 9+ hours of sleep last night I still feel like hammered dog shit and a walking corpse....
 
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Wife took a 'candid' shot of me looking out the window when I was unaware. That brain tumor surgery aged the fuck out of me. I was like ' who is that old man in the photograph' . Reading all the above planning for retirement , let me tell ya, sometimes it does the planning for you. Thankfully I knew it was coming because of my back so when it came sooner than planned, we were 'OK/semi good' financially.
 
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The "financial world" is a joke to the people that listen to Ramsey. He is not talking to the "financial world," he is trying to reach people that are financially illiterate and do not understand why they cannot get ahead even when they have a steady job and money coming in.
I didn't know much about ramsey until tucker interviewed him. I'd heard the show once or twice and it was all about getting out of debt and I was cool with that message. But he said some truly stupid shit during the tucker interview. I don't remember all of it, but I do remember he says anyone should be able to buy a house in their 20's with no credit score without taking out a loan. Why? Because he did it. I mean, like he didn't do it in his 20's, he did it after bankruptcy and after he became a success, but dammit anyone should be able to do it too somehow.

He claimed nobody paid off their credit cards every month. Then he said 78% of Americans carry a balance. That means 22% of Americans do actually pay off their cards every month. That one pissed me off because I'm one of the 22%. Then he said if you do that, you should just use a debit card. So he's ignorant of the problems with using a debit card like a credit card. He just came off as really slimy overall.
 
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I didn't know much about ramsey until tucker interviewed him. I'd heard the show once or twice and it was all about getting out of debt and I was cool with that message. But he said some truly stupid shit during the tucker interview. I don't remember all of it, but I do remember he says anyone should be able to buy a house in their 20's with no credit score without taking out a loan. Why? Because he did it. I mean, like he didn't do it in his 20's, he did it after bankruptcy and after he became a success, but dammit anyone should be able to do it too somehow.

He claimed nobody paid off their credit cards every month. Then he said 78% of Americans carry a balance. That means 22% of Americans do actually pay off their cards every month. That one pissed me off because I'm one of the 22%. Then he said if you do that, you should just use a debit card. So he's ignorant of the problems with using a debit card like a credit card. He just came off as really slimy overall.
I work for the credit card department of a large bank, and I would say it's almost 60/40 with Revolvers and Transactors respectively for the calls that I handle at least. It does surprise me, personally, that people are able to pay $10k statement balances every month, but I'm practically poor lol. For every person paying that couple of grand, there are people who are barely paying their minimum.
 
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I didn't know much about ramsey until tucker interviewed him. I'd heard the show once or twice and it was all about getting out of debt and I was cool with that message. But he said some truly stupid shit during the tucker interview. I don't remember all of it, but I do remember he says anyone should be able to buy a house in their 20's with no credit score without taking out a loan. Why? Because he did it. I mean, like he didn't do it in his 20's, he did it after bankruptcy and after he became a success, but dammit anyone should be able to do it too somehow.

He claimed nobody paid off their credit cards every month. Then he said 78% of Americans carry a balance. That means 22% of Americans do actually pay off their cards every month. That one pissed me off because I'm one of the 22%. Then he said if you do that, you should just use a debit card. So he's ignorant of the problems with using a debit card like a credit card. He just came off as really slimy overall.
I never pay attention to these guys. Credit cards give cash back and other rewards. Free money is free money. Well, free to me paid for by the people who make minimum payments every month.
 
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Kajiimagi

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I didn't know much about ramsey until tucker interviewed him. I'd heard the show once or twice and it was all about getting out of debt and I was cool with that message. But he said some truly stupid shit during the tucker interview. I don't remember all of it, but I do remember he says anyone should be able to buy a house in their 20's with no credit score without taking out a loan. Why? Because he did it. I mean, like he didn't do it in his 20's, he did it after bankruptcy and after he became a success, but dammit anyone should be able to do it too somehow.

He claimed nobody paid off their credit cards every month. Then he said 78% of Americans carry a balance. That means 22% of Americans do actually pay off their cards every month. That one pissed me off because I'm one of the 22%. Then he said if you do that, you should just use a debit card. So he's ignorant of the problems with using a debit card like a credit card. He just came off as really slimy overall.
From work, I had a personal AMEX that I used for work stuff that I paid off 100% (no choice with AMEX) and got in the habit of that. When COVID hit and shut down, no one would take cash any more. Me & the wife were almost 100% CC by then so it then became 100% total. I bet I don't have $10 in cash in my wallet. Haven't used cash in forever. We have 2, one that gives cash back on shows & restaurants & one that is Amazon which gives 5% on purchases from there and I think 2% on gas. That's it and they are paid off 100% every month. This month due to my hospital stay in August and Xmas , they are about 10K but still paid off 100%. Don't know who this Ramsey person is but sounds like he's full of shit.
Oh also when we moved to this small ass town, no one would take AMEX and I had to cancel it. I hated doing it as they understand what customer service is about, or at least they used to a decade ago.
 
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