2012 NFL Season

Elurin_sl said:

I don't think you could get anything for Weeden. You could much easier use that 4th or 5th round pick on a QB straight out of school who's not going to be 30 fucking years old.

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True, I swear that has to be the stupidest pick I have ever witnessed in all my 25+ years of watching this game.

McCoy is a solid stop gap until they find a franchise QB. Wasting that 1st round pick is a killer.

http://espn.go.com/chicago/nfl/story...an-sources-say

Bears going to the CFL to find their coach. Oh Bears.

Foggy_sl said:

McCoy is a solid stop gap until they find a franchise QB. Wasting that 1st round pick is a killer.

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It's not nearly the killer it used to be with the rookie pay scale. If you miss a first round pick you're out a pick, but you aren't crippled from fixing it by salary hell.

Brandon Weeden has to be the worse investment pick in the past 20 years (besides Jamarcuss the Hutt). Draft a 30 year old dude who zero upside who doesnt inspire the fanbase and is mediocre at best. The Browns are truly the dredge of the NFL. Only the Bills might be worse.

Jozu_sl said:

Brandon Weeden has to be the worse investment pick in the past 20 years (besides Jamarcuss the Hutt). Draft a 30 year old dude who zero upside who doesnt inspire the fanbase and is mediocre at best. The Browns are truly the dredge of the NFL. Only the Bills might be worse.

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Ryan Leaf.

I really don't need to say anything else.

Himeo_sl said:

Ryan Leaf.

I really don't need to say anything else.

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Nope

Orcus_sl said:

Cathan isn't from New Orleans, he's some hick transplant from NC bandwagoning the Saints. If you live 10 minutes from New Orleans and never go there, you're doing it wrong. Westbank or Kenner? Has to be westbank. I worked over there and met people that never crossed the bridge in their lives. 10 minutes from one of the most unique cities in the world. That's the life, lol. Marrero Marrerrroo.

Yes they're rustled. Associating that retard with authentic New Orleans is a confirmed jimmyrustler.

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Makes sense.

Kenner would be the correct answer.

You act like if you live here you haven't seen 90% of what New Orleans has to offer...I guess it all depends what you consider authentic New Orleans cause to me that covers a very broad spectrum. That could range anywhere from the amazingly chill people you can meet around the french quarter to the ghetto ass project people. It seems every time I go down there though I run in to the retards. I personally love the food and the atmosphere and usually try to go eat somewhere in New Orleans at least once a week as there is no other food like it in the world. I would never live in New Orleans though.

Araysar_sl said:

Ryan Leaf actually looked awesome on draft day, it wasnt until 2 seasons later that people gave up on him.

You knew Weeden was an awful pick 5 minutes after his name was called on draft day after you had a chance to google him.

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In fairness to Weeden he also wasn't the 2nd overall pick either. There have been many awesome picks throughout history. Remember Todd Blackledge got drafted ahead of Marino and Kelly in 83 as well.

Araysar_sl said:

Thats not the point. The point is that only several years later you could have judged Leaf as a draft bust, there was a legitimate reason to draft him right after Manning. I'm pretty sure 95% of the people posting here would have pulled the trigger on Leaf as 2nd pick in 1998

You can see right away that there is zero upside to Weeden. Even on draft day, why would you even draft him in 1st or 2nd round? Weeden was a 5th/6th rounder at best and that was clear to anyone with a cursory knowledge of him and his stats

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That's a valid point. Drafting a player that was already older than Rodgers is kind of hilarious in a terrible way to be sure.

Araysar_sl said:

Thats not the point. The point is that only several years later you could have judged Leaf as a draft bust, there was a legitimate reason to draft him right after Manning. I'm pretty sure 95% of the people posting here would have pulled the trigger on Leaf as 2nd pick in 1998

You can see right away that there is zero upside to Weeden. Even on draft day, why would you even draft him in 1st or 2nd round? Weeden was a 5th/6th rounder at best and that was clear to anyone with a cursory knowledge of him and his stats

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Maybe you should be a GM in the NFL.

On paper the 2 years he started in Oklahoma his stats were off the hook. All you really have to base your opinion of him being a 5th or 6th round guy is his age. The guy played in a elite college conference and his stats easily argue he was first round talent.

His stats were actually better than Manning's and on par with Leaf.

Oklahoma State not Oklahoma. And until more teams start doing what Washington did and install these QBs college offenses, their college stats are irrelevant. Andre Ware anyone? Klingler? Some QBs thrive in certain systems, and the college game is nothing remotely close to the pros in the kinds of complex defenses and athletes you face.

Jozu_sl said:

Brandon Weeden has to be the worse investment pick in the past 20 years (besides Jamarcuss the Hutt). Draft a 30 year old dude who zero upside who doesnt inspire the fanbase and is mediocre at best. The Browns are truly the dredge of the NFL. Only the Bills might be worse.

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I would submit the Dolphins pick of Ted Ginn Jr at pick 9 in 2007. A team full of holes selecting a return specialist and having to pay him a fortune under the old cba. This after dealing Wes Welker off the team to a division rival, by the same man who released him in San Diego. A big fuck you to Cam Cameron.

Also Honorable mention to Nick Saban going with Culpepper over Brees the year before the Welker trade.

Leaf, Jamarcus the hut were BUST not bad draft picks. The Browns needs were so great that they had no fucking business drafting a QB in the first round unless his name was Luck or RG3. I at least am not calling Weeden a bust, the reason it was the worst fucking pick in the last 20-25 years is because there was no QB in the draft worthy of a first round pick not named RG3 or Luck, you could argue Wilson and Cousins but that is hindsight and Weeden sure as fuck aren't those people. Cleveland had a rookie QB that was on shit fucking team with no line (outside of Joe Thomas) not a single fucking WR that I bet anyone short of the 1-2 Browns fans could tell you who they are (and even the one shitty one they might guess I bet they couldnt spell his name right) a running game that was non-existent (no ones saying shit about drafting Richardson) and a middle of the road defense.

This is all before you consider that when you draft a QB in the first round you are drafting for your future, you don't just throw a shot in the dark fucking pick in the first round regardless of the position the player is. Who here for one fucking second thought Weeden is the future of the Browns? 2-3 years to develop and the guy is fucking 32, you get at best if he some how goes all Brett Favre and makes it to 40 you get 8 years and more realistically 5. Seriously there is only 1 way the Browns could have made a worse fucking pick in the first round, a long snapper. I was going to say a kicker but shit a FG kicker for the next 20 or so years would have been better.

Weedens pick was the last ditch effort of a staff that knew it was on the way out and fucked the entire organization trying to save their jobs. They banked their jobs on Weeden pulling out a fucking miracle and going all Luck/RG3/Wilson and saving their job in the process, it is the only logical fucking answer as to why that pick was made. You don't have to be a GM to know this, even Cathan knows why this was the worst decision on draft day in the last 20-25 years FFS man.