2013 NFL Season

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Famm

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Well, Hartline is white so its just the good old boy network trying to protect its own. This might be another Trayvon Martin in the making, forget Te'o. They are even both named Martin, I mean come on.
 
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I'm sure he needs the therapy. I seriously doubt that a dude saying mean things to him in the locker room is the reason for it. I'm not saying Incognito isn't a dick. Obviously he is, but he's been in the league 6 years or something so he's seen a lot of rookies and no one else has killed themselves. Football is a game of alpha males basically trying to bully each other on the field. No one has said that Incognito laid a hand on anyone or did anything other than run his mouth so what's the big deal? A grown man shouldn't need to go to therapy because some dude made fun of him.

Interestingly I was listening to the Adam Carolla show yesterday and one of the guys that works on the show actually assistant coached at Martin's high school a couple years before Martin got there. It was a private school and he described the whole football team as pussified. He said that the kids were allowed to skip practice if they had to study for a test or something and the coaches weren't allowed to swear on the field and he thought at the time that it was good that none of the kids he had were good enough to play in college because they would be in for a big surprise if they got into a real football program.
Assuming the media is reporting all of this shit accurately, "Man up" is not therapy for mental illness. The guy's emotional problems or whatever seem to make this different from the usual "treat the rookies like shit" routine. If he was totally unable to deal with the hazing...what could eventually happen? He snaps and you have two 300+ pounders going at it in a straight up real fight? Not like a little training camp slap fight, either...like a guy with problems getting pushed over the edge fight. I'm not sure that situation is any better than the current one. Not like the team could really sweep it under the rug in the age of Twitter and all of the 24/7 football coverage.

Maybe he should have long been on the PUP list and away from the team while he got treatment or whatever, it's probably true. It's also in the team and some of these clueless players' interests to realize that there's no such thing as "the locker room" when this guy takes their ass to court. In no professional workplace (which NFL clubs are) in America would that voicemail have flown. Fired in a microsecond. Goodell is going to be all over hazing like helmet to helmet hits now, no doubt about it.
 

Famm

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Why didn't he just go to Tahiti and smoke weed for a few years until coming back to pay off his breach of contract fines like Ricky Williams?
 

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Well, Hartline is white so its just the good old boy network trying to protect its own. This might be another Trayvon Martin in the making, forget Te'o. They are even both named Martin, I mean come on.
Ice tea and skittles on that lunch tray he threw down?
 

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I find it sickening that kids today go to schools that value academics over sports.
You should check out the politics thread when Merlin repeatedly asserts even without a twinge of shame that Alabama's greatest accomplishment is their collegiate football programs. He seems especially proud of the fact that they let blacks participate in it.
 

Loser Araysar

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Pretty much this. Plus this is what coach McFatty gets for not having a real backup who knows the system. Dude has only been here two months and takes like five fucking snaps per week. I am amazed we did not have any center fumble exchanges. I bet Flynn is back in Green Bay before the week's end. But mainly, fuck McCarthy. Years of Old Number 4 spoiled him into thinking he would never need a QB, despite Rodgers being known for having somewhat of a glass jaw as a Cal Bear and the obvious fact that there is a ridiculously high attrition rate on starting QBs in pass happy offenses.

Bears certainly took full advantage of the situation, though, so hats off to them. The only thing better than the Rodgers injury for the Bears was the Cutler injury, since McCown is a much more consistent QB than Pouty McSeatbelt. Their special teams are really awful, though. The only way I would be concerned about the Lions is if the Cutler is starting, since he is scared shitless of Su. If McCown starts that game, the Bears win, mostly because the Lions are rivaled only by the Cowboys in their ability to shoot themselves in the foot and without Cutler under center the Bears will have the good sense not to get in the way of them doing that.

I still think the Packers are the team to beat in the NFC North, though. Our remaining schedule is soft as fuck and McFatty will be forced to five Wallace (or Flynn) full reps for the foreseeable future. Also, we will be getting nearly all of our main starters back, other than Rodgers, in the next couple weeks which will help, especially on Defense. Well, except Finley, but we are better off with old alligator arms riding the pine, anyhow. We won't do shit once we hit the playoffs, though, but having Rodgers in would not have let us run much deeper in my opinion anyhow, given the likely competition.
McCown is definitely fearless in the pocket, he knows he is on the tail end of the career and he just doesnt give a fuck if he gets injured, mauled or not. He wants his one last Ride of the Valkyries to a final moment of glory to end his career on.

As far as the rest of the Packers, the only reason those guys even look good is because of Rodgers. Without Rodgers that team is in the bottom half of the league if not bottom third. Lacy is the only reason that game was even close because clearly there was zero passing ability once Rodgers was out


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Reverse bullying!
 

Sutekh

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Why didn't he just go to Tahiti and smoke weed for a few years until coming back to pay off his breach of contract fines like Ricky Williams?
It was Australia you Wakandan. Don't talk bad about Ricky Williams, HE'S A SAINT.

1987_sl said:
Ice tea and skittles on that lunch tray he threw down?
Uh don't you mean Watermelon Fruit Juice Cocktail?
 

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Assuming the media is reporting all of this shit accurately, "Man up" is not therapy for mental illness. The guy's emotional problems or whatever seem to make this different from the usual "treat the rookies like shit" routine. If he was totally unable to deal with the hazing...what could eventually happen? He snaps and you have two 300+ pounders going at it in a straight up real fight? Not like a little training camp slap fight, either...like a guy with problems getting pushed over the edge fight. I'm not sure that situation is any better than the current one. Not like the team could really sweep it under the rug in the age of Twitter and all of the 24/7 football coverage.

Maybe he should have long been on the PUP list and away from the team while he got treatment or whatever, it's probably true. It's also in the team and some of these clueless players' interests to realize that there's no such thing as "the locker room" when this guy takes their ass to court. In no professional workplace (which NFL clubs are) in America would that voicemail have flown. Fired in a microsecond. Goodell is going to be all over hazing like helmet to helmet hits now, no doubt about it.
The people that are in the workplace define what is acceptable behavior. Maybe the culture in the NFL needs to become more professional, but it's no office environment and never has been. It's too bad that Martin couldn't hack it in the locker room, but in my mind that doesn't mean that Ritchie Incognito needs to be burned at the stake for acting like a football player in the presence of a guy that couldn't handle people that act like football players. Maybe change is needed, maybe it's not. I'm not an NFL player so I don't give a fuck what they do to each other, but it's not really fair to ruin Incognito's career because he talked like people talk in locker rooms all over America from junior high to the NFL. People keep saying that what he did was different than what normally goes on, but all he did was talk shit, and he didn't say anything worse than I heard in the locker room after gym class and I didn't even play football.
 

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I'd be a lot less judgmental about the whole situation if it involved some other player. The fact that Incognito is already well known as a piece of shit doesn't help things.
 

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And he's got a face that really makes you want to punch it. Too bad it's attached to a 400lb. gorilla, or someone might have by now.

But yes, I think that if it was someone other than Incognito, I'd probably give them more leeway. Maybe not.
 

Sutekh

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We're not allowed to have all sides of the team even medicore at the same time. One side has to be fucking awful if one is good. It's the way of the Dolphin.
 

Foggy

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Dude was such a beast. I think if he didn't have anxiety problems and was completely focused on football he would have gone down as one of the best ever.
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Famm

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It was all the media attention that really did him in I think. From the interviews I read during his year in Baltimore he didn't fit in with the locker room at all but he was very content because he was finally able to just come to work and have no expectations of interacting with the press. He still had a very prolific career, broke 10k yards in that final season.
 

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I'd be a lot less judgmental about the whole situation if it involved some other player. The fact that Incognito is already well known as a piece of shit doesn't help things.
Getting kicked off of two teams due to behavioral issues makes me believe this wasn't just done average football player doing average football player stuff. All the NFL players blaming Martin for not "manning up" prove Martin was right. He either accepts the bullying or is blackballed.