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Tell us when you see the gay stuff so we can call you gay for watching it

rhinohelix said:

Edit/2: The issue arises from making a meh game/content which only seems to serve as a vehicle for said content and adding stuff that has no place, or overwhelms/sticks out/Checkov Gun's the Devs motivation for adding it in. Per our discussion tonight, I think people are so sick of it that they are reacting more sharply to that kind of content's presence. If you can't escape real world politics in your escapist fantasy game, folks are going to react more and more strongly, and we are now a decade plus into this wave of it. To be clear, if someone made an Anti-Woke™/Conservative game, I wouldn't want to play that either, because ideological agendas OF ANY SORT that don't service the game/narrative stand out and detract from the game/player experience.

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This is the way. I don't mind reading, watching, or playing something that's promoting a viewpoint or ideology that I don't agree with (in fact, I might enjoy it if you do it well enough), but it needs to feel like it belongs to the story rather than being shoehorned in and it needs to be written well. There also comes a point where you're just beating a dead horse. Is it really worth writing something if you're not bringing anything new to the discussion? Especially if it means you're running the risk of fucking up you're primary story telling vehicle?

The two biggest issues for me with all the woke shit (and anti-woke shit for that matter) in all forms of media today is that they typically are just retreading the same old ground over and over, and the writing is just bad. These folks think they're Kurt Vonnegut or something, but their shit is really on the level of bad fan fiction.

Long story short, if you don't have anything new to say or can't execute on delivering your message well enough to make it worth reading, then just let me kill shit and get the fuck out of my way.

rhinohelix said:

Tarrant... ...likes it

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That has to be one of the most redundant phrases anyone can possibly utter in this subforum.

it just works

I know that the TES comparisons were inevitable, and at least for the very first teaser trailer that's what got my initial hopes up, but damn...



What's even the point if you can't genocide the ugly as sin NPCs?

ha. yeah. some of that is pretty sad. modern games modeling arrows actually being fired? lol. fat chance.


I will say... modern obsidian doesn't make immersive sims. we won't see that kind of immersion in Owlcat games either. so this is not entirely a fair comparison. the Immersive sim design of Ultima>TES>larian games is a very specific design philosophy. its not something you will just randomly have in your game, unless its built up from the ground up, with that in mind. see kenshi.

Guys, sorry but this game looks awful and I liked Outer Worlds and found a way to like Starfield. Everything I have seen so far has made this look like a poor man's Skyrim/Fable. I mean there is so many medieval-esque and fantasy RPG's out there, I see no reason to want to play this one over so many other games I could be playing like this.

Honestly seeing this shit, knowing it's one of the big games of the year especially at Xbox, and just knowing the kind of shit they've been complacent with assholes like that art director saying, it's easy for me to say fuck these new games I'm going to just play some older games. Heck it's not like these new games even have much in the way of better graphics, physics, worlds, or anything to show off really anyways. I can easily go back to what's now considered old games and find better physics and AI, graphics feel like they have barely been progressing because so much performance is spent on things I can hardly notice, or the art styles are cartoonish making realism effects feel pointless.

Basically, this isn't doing it for me. I'm not one of those people who have apparently played every game that's come out so fuck new shit I'm out and playing older games till the industry can get it's head out it's ass.

Tasty The Treat said:

found a way to like Starfield.

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Probably shouldn't start a review by destroying your credibility.