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Vaclav

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I would love to see someone who could unite the partys again, someone like (Bill) Clinton. Someone who could actually compromise, not just give it lip service (Obama). Obama and his administration have so fractured our system its in need of serious repair. I'm not at all opposed to voting Democrat if I think its someone who can unite our partys, keep out of the crazy, repair our foreign policy, and actually create aworkingeconomic system. Stop trying to jack off your voting base, stop fundraising, stop going on chain vacations, buckle down and get some real work done. I don't care what the letter is before your name.
Letter comes after the name.... Congressman Boehner (R) style...

And compromise requires both groups to be involved. The obstructionism has very little to do with Obama. The ACA shouldn't have blocked at all for example considering the starting floor once he actually brought it to Congress was almost a page for page copy of the Contract with America that Newt Gingrinch and friends wrote in the 90's.
 

Merlin_sl

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Merlin, what does Obama want to fundamentally transform America into?
Cliff notes:

  • Under Obama, 660,000 Americans dropped off the job rolls?just last month. 90 million working-age, able-bodied Americans are no longer in the workforce. 90 million.
  • The workforce participation rate is the lowest since 1979. For men it?s the lowest since 1948 (when record keeping began).
  • Almost 50 million Americans are on food stamps (20% of all eligible adults).
  • Fourteen million are on disability.
  • Millions more are on welfare, unemployment, housing allowances, aid to dependent children, or 100 other free government programs.
  • Now, add in free healthcare plus 22 million government employees.
  • Student loan debt is a national disaster- with defaults up 36% from a year ago.
  • Over 16 million Americans live in poverty?in the suburbs.
  • Obama promised to cut the deficit in half; instead he gave us five consecutive trillion dollar deficits
  • He promised to spend responsibly; instead now owns the title of biggest spender in world history.
  • He called Bush?s $4 trillion in debt over 8 years reckless, then proceeded to pile on $6 trillion in only 4 years.
  • He swore to be on the side of small business, but he added 6,118 new rules, regulations and mandates in just the last 90 days.
  • He claimed taxes are low, yet he just raised taxes to the same level as bankrupt EU countries like Greece, Spain, Italy and France. Our federal income taxes are now far higher than former Soviet Republics.
Obama's Plan to Destroy America Hatched at Columbia Says Classmate | TheBlaze.com

The plan was revolting, but brilliant. Cloward and Piven taught that America could only be destroyed from within. Only by overwhelming the system with debt, welfare, and entitlements could capitalism and the America economy be destroyed. So the plan was to make a majority of Americans dependent on welfare, food stamps, disability, unemployment, and entitlements of all kinds. Then, under the weight of the debt, the system would implode and the economy collapse, bankrupting business owners (i.e. conservative donors). Americans would be brought to their knees, begging for big government to save them. Voila ? you?d have a new system.

A system based on fairness, equality and social justice. It?s called Socialism.
Yes I used an article. But the thing is, everything you see is classic Cloward-Piven. Yes, I first heard about it from Glen Beck, so what. You don't at all see the similarities? Were all just batshit insane? Hes doing exactly what he set out to do. I'm not crazy Araysar, but where there is smoke there is fire.
 

Merlin_sl

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Letter comes after the name.... Congressman Boehner (R) style...

And compromise requires both groups to be involved. The obstructionism has very little to do with Obama. The ACA shouldn't have blocked at all for example considering the starting floor once he actually brought it to Congress was almost a page for page copy of the Contract with America that Newt Gingrinch and friends wrote in the 90's.
And Hilary couldn't get hers passed either. Did it ever occur to Washington Americans just don't want socialized healthcare? Thanks for correcting me though, letter goes AFTER haha. I will correct myself.
 

Vaclav

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And Hilary couldn't get hers passed either. Did it ever occur to Washington Americans just don't want socialized healthcare? Thanks for correcting me though, letter goes AFTER haha. I will correct myself.
Do you even understand what "socialized medicine" is? Because it's not anything like the ACA. Stop taking buzzwords from stupid people that don't understand them and then parrot them in even MORE WRONG cases.

Protip: "Socialized Medicine" is called single payer for a reason, because there's a single policy to choose from that handles 95%+ of the nation.
 

Loser Araysar

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I would love to see someone who could unite the partys again, someone like (Bill) Clinton. Someone who could actually compromise, not just give it lip service (Obama). Obama and his administration have so fractured our system its in need of serious repair. I'm not at all opposed to voting Democrat if I think its someone who can unite our partys, keep out of the crazy, repair our foreign policy, and actually create aworkingeconomic system. Stop trying to jack off your voting base, stop fundraising, stop going on chain vacations, buckle down and get some real work done. I don't care what the letter is before your name.
The only crazy is the tea party, our foreign policy is better under Obama than it was under Bush I, Bush II or Reagan, our economy is on the rebound after the Republicans created the worst economic crisis since the depression after 8 years of GOP, obama took less vacation on average then most presidents.
 

Loser Araysar

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Cliff notes:

  • Under Obama, 660,000 Americans dropped off the job rolls.just last month. 90 million working-age, able-bodied Americans are no longer in the workforce. 90 million.
  • The workforce participation rate is the lowest since 1979. For men it's the lowest since 1948 (when record keeping began).
  • Almost 50 million Americans are on food stamps (20% of all eligible adults).
  • Fourteen million are on disability.
  • Millions more are on welfare, unemployment, housing allowances, aid to dependent children, or 100 other free government programs.
  • Now, add in free healthcare plus 22 million government employees.
  • Student loan debt is a national disaster- with defaults up 36% from a year ago.
  • Over 16 million Americans live in poverty.in the suburbs.
  • Obama promised to cut the deficit in half; instead he gave us five consecutive trillion dollar deficits
  • He promised to spend responsibly; instead now owns the title of biggest spender in world history.
  • He called Bush's $4 trillion in debt over 8 years reckless, then proceeded to pile on $6 trillion in only 4 years.
  • He swore to be on the side of small business, but he added 6,118 new rules, regulations and mandates in just the last 90 days.
  • He claimed taxes are low, yet he just raised taxes to the same level as bankrupt EU countries like Greece, Spain, Italy and France. Our federal income taxes are now far higher than former Soviet Republics.
Obama??Ts Plan to Destroy America Hatched at Columbia Says Classmate | TheBlaze.com



Yes I used an article. But the thing is, everything you see is classic Cloward-Piven. Yes, I first heard about it from Glen Beck, so what. You don't at all see the similarities? Were all just batshit insane? Hes doing exactly what he set out to do. I'm not crazy Araysar, but where there is smoke there is fire.
of course you used an article, you dont have the fucking brains to write more than 2 sentences in a row without driving into a logic ditch. so obama's plan is to transform us into a socialist country, one of those European socialist countries that enjoy the highest standards of living in the world? even higher than america? oh no!!!!!!! did he write this plan down anywhere? do you have proof of it?

lets go back to the 3 things i bolded in your quote. if we eliminated those things - how do you plan on supporting your 5 kids and going to college like you do now?
 

Loser Araysar

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And Hilary couldn't get hers passed either. Did it ever occur to Washington Americans just don't want socialized healthcare? Thanks for correcting me though, letter goes AFTER haha. I will correct myself.
most americans support the ACA and single payer in general.
 

Mist

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Vaclav

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[*]Under Obama, 660,000 Americans dropped off the job rolls.just last month. 90 million working-age, able-bodied Americans are no longer in the workforce. 90 million.
Citation? U-6 would cover all non workers, and it's at 12.1% (U6 Unemployment Rate | Portal Seven) - that's around 35-40 million. And BLS quotes 288k jobs CREATED in June 2014 -http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm

[*]The workforce participation rate is the lowest since 1979. For men it's the lowest since 1948 (when record keeping began).
False see the first link above, it's 5% better than 2009 alone much less searching back further. And shocker, Recessions suck for jobs. And one of the worst Recessions of all time is amongst the worst - WOWSERS.

[*]Almost 50 million Americans are on food stamps (20% of all eligible adults).
From the SNAP website itself: Program Growth

(Rumor they're responding to): Generous eligibility rules and program fraud and abuse have caused participation in SNAP to balloon, sharply driving up the cost of the program when the nation can least afford it.

The dramatic increase in SNAP participation and costs is a result of the recession, not categorical eligibility. Our nation has seen the highest unemployment rates in nearly 30 years.
SNAP participation historically follows unemployment with a slight lag. SNAP participation grew during the recession, responding quickly and effectively to increased need. As the number of unemployed people increased by 94% from 2007 to 2011, SNAP responded with a 70% increase in participation over the same period.
As the economy recovers and people go back to work, SNAP participation and program costs, too, can be expected to decline. Unemployment has begun to slowly fall, and SNAP participation growth has flattened out. The Congressional Budget Office projects SNAP participation to begin declining in 2015, with both unemployment and SNAP participation returning to near pre-recession levels by 2022
[*]Fourteen million are on disability.
And speaking as someone on disability, it's a hard process to get disability even when your disability is blatant. If you think people are just "Oh, I'm bored and tired of work - I'll get disability for that fat $711 check every month", you're dreaming. (And that was the max payout last time I checked if you don't have full credits for Social Security - might be $720ish now - it's big money - mine's a bit higher, but I had substantial work history)

With my OBVIOUS problems I had it took me five years and getting a lawyer involved before I got approved and another six months or so before my first check.

[*]Millions more are on welfare, unemployment, housing allowances, aid to dependent children, or 100 other free government programs.
See food stamps above.

[*]Now, add in free healthcare plus 22 million government employees.
Free healthcare didn't change it's the same as it's always been. Subsidized healthcare will never get down to "free" but it is new.

On 22m government employees -http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/20...t-47-year-low/- that's the number as it's COMING DOWN. Obama's been overseeing us having fewer government employees - so what's the complaint?

[*]Student loan debt is a national disaster- with defaults up 36% from a year ago.
Unemployment amongst the newly out of college up around 40%, college defaults up around 36% - hmm.... wonder how those might interact.

[*]Obama promised to cut the deficit in half; instead he gave us five consecutive trillion dollar deficits
Within his term - and oops?U.S. Deficit Cut by Almost One-Third to $492 Billion: CBO - Bloomberg

[*]He promised to spend responsibly; instead now owns the title of biggest spender in world history.
Almost entirely because of past expenses he's due for - he's added very little on and removed/trimmed a bunch more.

[*]He swore to be on the side of small business, but he added 6,118 new rules, regulations and mandates in just the last 90 days.
Citation. I usually see at least brief comments on such in my mags, and not seen any blurbs about such. I bet if this is remotely true it's tweaks to existing things that are just things like changing a phrasing or other stuff that doesn't actually matter to anyone in reality but procedurally technically are. (But I do put good odds on it being complete horseshit)
[*]He claimed taxes are low, yet he just raised taxes to the same level as bankrupt EU countries like Greece, Spain, Italy and France. Our federal income taxes are now far higher than former Soviet Republics.[/LIST]
Sure, if you ignore tax deductions which are plentiful here and rare in the rest of the world. (Not to mention capital gains)Income tax in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Not finding it on basic searches so I could be somewhat off, but I seem to recall average deduction in the EU ends up are 3-4% of your tax burden - here it's in the 15-20% range generally.
 

Loser Araysar

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Merlin complains about food stamps and government programs that help the needy while not working and having 5 kids to support. He uses/used food stamps just this year alone
 

Loser Araysar

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[*]Now, add in free healthcare plus 22 million government employees.

the government never had more than 3 million employees and that includes everyone enlisted in the entire US military. not only is that number inflated by almost 10x, but merlin also hates the troops
 

Karloff_sl

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Why bother replying to Merlin, this is a guy who has eight kids, uses gov't assistance and begrudges those who also use assistance.

I just feel pity for his kids, they may have no chance.
 

khalid

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Merlin, why is it okay for you to use food stamps and wic, but bad when other people do it?