Brave Frontier

And gumi goes ahead and nerfs.....ultor's sphere and his ubb.

Aurelia kills melchio, not sure she opens up lots of new team comps.

What's the ? material for Hardon and Aurelia? The light and dark version of Tridon's mat? From the vortex gate that isn't up despite Gumi selling rateups on the units?

DoctorSpooge_sl said:

What's the ? material for Hardon and Aurelia? The light and dark version of Tridon's mat? From the vortex gate that isn't up despite Gumi selling rateups on the units?

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Yea, Hadaron was the "Netherhound" or somesuch and another unit like that for Aurelia I think. A Gumi rep on facebook said their SBS dungeons were going to be added to the vortex "in a few minutes" but that was like 3 hours ago, and besides they never know what the hell they are talking about anyway.

I'm excited about both these characters, Breaker Aurelia (only got her a couple months ago and never got her Evo mat yet) and Guardian Hadaron (not exactly optimal typing for either one, but no Oracles to piss me off)....both seem almost perfect to me.

I'm thinking I'm taking them both into Frontier Gate Mission 1 later on sometime....Aurelia for Healing + Defense and Hadaron for (believe it or not) his Brave Burst. 50% Chance to poison target and 25% odds Poison buff to the entire group? Fuck right off Grand Jelly.

Honestly, it is hard to say how Hadaron is going to play out just by looking at his numbers on paper, but gods damn, his damage could get really spooky. ...like it is possible once people start working him to his potential, they might actually need to nerf Hadaron (again) spooky. Getting Zenia and Hadaron in the same muthafuckin' group at theSAMEmuthafuckin' time? Enemies will surrender rather than take that kind of asswhoopin'.

I've really been appreciating characters that have strikingly different (yet useful) toolsets on their BB and SBB's. Hadaron is a nice example (and Zenia is too)....He gives very nice status infliction (poison most particularly) on his BB when you need it....but when you don't you can just plain ol' ignore it because his SBB is so powerful you won't feel like you are missing anything.

Aurelia's is a bit different in that there is some (quasi) overlap, but it seems almost a very specific design choice to make her Brave Burst a "Fire once every 3rd turn" skill for maximum potential. You'd get the benefits of a completely different set of skills on Brave Burst that stack with all the benefits of the Super Brave Bursts multi-turn buffs, all the while keeping up the rotation. (with Aurelia it would mean taking one turn off her sweet burst heal to apply a Heal-over-Time, which might not always be easy in the toughest content...which is exactly the sort of content she is best suited for anyway....but it isn't a game if there is nothing to think about)



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Here is what has been itching at my brain since earlier today when I first saw their profiles:

Hadaron seems like the sort who would be very comfortable working from a Sub slot......It seems like it almost gets lost in the long list of things his Super Brave Burst does, but he gives +60% Crit chance to the group on his SBB. ....While he doesn't give the typical +150% Crit Damage on the Leadership skill so common with most crit buffers, (Griff/Reis/Colt will still keep the "Crit Leader" role for that reason alone, if looking specifically to buff crits).....but as a SUB? In MOST cases, I think I take Hadaron...even over Griff/Reis. His SBB is Single Target, but devastating damage....and while I won't attempt to do "Brave Frontier Math" which is some extra-dimensional quantum mathematics most of the time, but if you have his +400% ATK buff up from Stealth from the previous turn, even his 320% Brave Burst will be pumping out some respectable AoE damage.

I think Hadaron has to be mentioned amongst the games most notable Crit Buffers, even though he isn't the traditional Crit Leader type. ....or to put it another way: If you have Hadaron in a group, why would you want Griff or Reis also? I don't think you'd want them. In content where Hadaron is useful, he might just be king.


I think one thing I like about both of these characters is that they are both very much suited toward brutally tough content. I don't think either one of these characters could be called particularly great for questing/farming and such where you just want to turn on Auto and blow shit up. But when shit gets real? Bring the Angel and the Demon: Those are two that don't even get out of bed for the light work.

And on another note: I really like that Aurelia's unique sphere is NOT classified as a Status sphere. Alim take note: You can give characters great sets of unique attributes via spheres/skills that revolve around things other than just +Stats.

Her unique sphere doesn't do much for stats (but it doesn't NEED to as a "HP Recovery" sphere), so instead it gives a whole freakin' bag full of tricks: HP Drain, Invalidates Status Ails (important they included that one here), BB Cashback and BB on Attack. ...and then her extra skill gives another +40% Defense and +40% Rec AND you can stack another full blown stat sphere on top of that? Sheeeeeeeeeit.

I'm just sayin' Edea should feel very bad about her unique sphere choices after spending any time around Aurelia, that's all.

This is how you unique sphere a character people.

I am and have been and will continue to be out of the loop, but I'm encouraged by your analyses. I've always held that units that do cool shit - Balgran, Luka, Rowgen - are infinitely more interesting and fun to use than units that bring simply unbridled power like Maxwell or Zenia.

I also like swiss army knife units like Dion, even if it kills auto play.

Also, don't forget to go collect your Water Vortex Arena rewards if you haven't already. (Click Twice, once for the last daily that we never got to claim, the second for the overall rewards)

DoctorSpooge_sl said:

I am and have been and will continue to be out of the loop, but I'm encouraged by your analyses. I've always held that units that do cool shit - Balgran, Luka, Rowgen - are infinitely more interesting and fun to use than units that bring simply unbridled power like Maxwell or Zenia.

I also like swiss army knife units like Dion, even if it kills auto play.

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Funnily enough "Unbridled Power" would be words I'd endorse to describe Hadaron 7*....I don't even know how to calculate his damage potential....his SBB is Single Target and NOT infinite (which is theonlything keeping Hadaron from being outright OP).

His SBB's "Stealth" buff gives him +400% ATK (self, stacks with other ATK buffs), +70% Crit Chance (self, stacks with group version), then he gets +150% Crit Damage (self) added to +75% Crit Damage (extra skill) and +60% Crit chance (group) for a grand total (self) of +400% ATK (not including his sphere or anyone elses buffs/leadership) +130% Crit Chance and +225% Crit damage......and what are we applying that to? a ST SBB with a damage modifier of an incredible +1,000% ....and this guy starts out with a high base ATK.

That fucker is gonna HURT.

I'm gonna leave it to others to experiment with Hadaron as Leader, but the potential there is very interesting under the right circumstances. Folks are already toying with him as the new-and-improved Toutetsu Arena style leader, with +130% ATK and +50% Defense which can only go UP from there (to a theoretical maximum of +530% ATK from the leadership skill.....oh and +100% Defense too. Dat Attack Doe.) That could potentially put a whole different spin on those "Damage reflect" type fights that like to leave everyone with 1 HP after they attack.

Farming rc5 quest 10 is awful. Aurelia is really good, I still wish she did more than shit on melchio and reeze.

Nadore/krantz/rivera are my most desired units now.

Ao-_sl said:

I still can't get any fucking shards to make athenasphere spheres. :<

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Good news, raid drop rate up this weekend. I've had much better luck getting chunks when joining groups, got aurelia's harp on the first try yesterday. Make sure to clear rc5, owen is out dated now, but the 10bc per turn sphere is amazing.

Cleared karls ex trial using aurelia yesterday. She is an absolute beast in difficult content. Her stats are insane and using her sphere+frontier gate sphere gives makes it easy sbb every turn. Her extra skill having 40% def and rec is even more dumb as without leader skills or any other def buff she ends up with 8k defense with her rec convert.

Enjoy her before she is nerfed.

Did more today than I have in a while. Farmed all the mats - took all my energy - for both Aurelia and Hardon and got them to 120 and max Sbb. Two almighty imps each + whatever I had in stock. Hardon with only about +200 attack and the FG 30% sphere has almost 4200 attack. Not minding breaker here.

Guess I need to decide whether to dip my feet in again or not. Aurelia means I can actually use Bestie now, but I'm still hurting badly for mitigation.

DoctorSpooge_sl said:

Did more today than I have in a while. Farmed all the mats - took all my energy - for both Aurelia and Hardon and got them to 120 and max Sbb. Two almighty imps each + whatever I had in stock. Hardon with only about +200 attack and the FG 30% sphere has almost 4200 attack. Not minding breaker here.

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Nice Man. Working on doing that myself atm. Just finished a Mega Metal Parade.

I'm not going to have Imps for them (right now at least), but I DID farm out an extra Stormwing and Netherhound just in case I get better typings than Breaker Aurelia or Guardian Hadaron anytime soon.

I'm excited to take these new units out for a spin.

Lol, my typings are reversed and I definitely got the better . Breaker Hardon, Guardian Aurelia. I think Hardon is maybe my second type change ever - coulda sworn he was a guardian.

Hardon has higher attack than breaker Ruby. Guardian Aurelia, otoh, has Kanon-level attack at like 1.9k at 120.

Edit: already had them both. Always nice to get great units by merely waiting.

DoctorSpooge_sl said:

Edit: already had them both. Always nice to get great units by merely waiting.

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Word.

It is spooky how many of my best units were former 6 stars that got an upgrade.

Yea, my typings blow on both of them, but I'm still goddamn glad to have them both. ....just not anxious to drop any imps on them while I hope for better typing from dupes (dupes is what I summon best these days anyway apparently.)

Got them both to 120. Finished their GQ and Crafted both of their Unique Spheres. I still need to fodder them both up, but that shit is going to take me the rest of the evening. It'll be tomorrow before I really get to take them out for a spin good and proper.


Aurelia plays mind games with typings anyway though, give her Oracle for +REC bonus, then increase her +Rec% from her skills/spheres/etc, then covert 80% of that extra Rec into Defense and suddenly that Oracle Aurelia has mustered more Defense than the Guardian version with all the same buffs/spheres.

My Breaker is probably the worst possible typing for her, but she is the one unit that doesn't give much of a shit. My Guardian Hadaron is either 4th best or 2nd worst depending on how you look at it, but still, he is so strong, I'm not worried about him either....still, I'd much rather imp out a Breaker or Anima version of him. For Aurelia, almost any typing other than Breaker I suppose..... (Yet, Anima still probably tops because she is gonna have Defense coming out her ears regardless of typing.)

Leto Eu`Acumen_sl said:

It is spooky how many of my best units were former 6 stars that got an upgrade.

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Just for shits and giggles I took a look at my 7-star lineup to see how many and which of my 7-star units were Legacy 6-stars.

Selena (starter)
Vargas (starter, ok this one is still a maxed out 6-star, but he is Anima and the only reason I haven't 7-star'd him is because brutha's is broke deez dayz and Legend Stones ain't cheap. I need to find some of those Cubic Zirconia Legendary Stones on the cheap or something.)

Elimo
Edea
Griel
Sefia
Kikuri
Tridon
Aurelia
Hadaron
Lava
Zeldeus
Vertri
Will

Wow, so 14 (13 if you don't count Vargas) "Legacy" 7-stars on my roster atm. (trying to find a list of the ones yet to come, I have numerous.....lets see)


Units I already have that have announced 7-star versions:

Michele
Exvehl
Farlon
Signas (Oracle, so only counts as half )
Alyut
Lunaris
Reeze
Ragshelm
Shera
Andaria (new, yolo from the other day - kinda glad I got her too, I don't have a Zedus and would have missed out entirely on the next pair of SBS 7-star upgrades - although I have to say my hopes for Andaria are lowest for the entire batch, but they've been on a roll, so maybe she'll be f'n awesome.)

So 10 more coming for me? Unless I've missed some or something, but I'm pretty sure that is the lot. Shera 7-star is one of the Hot-Shit mitigators in Japan atm (will see if I can get a Krantz or not, how much I'll be looking forward to the Shera)....Michele is gonna be freakin' awesome in the Arena. Several others there still coming up that will be worthy of use, a few that probably won't be.

Andaria shouldn't need a Legend Stone, but the rest will 9 more of those bloody things, 10 if you count that Vargas. ....80,000 achievement points just to buy the legend stones, just for the units I already have....they need to put those things on a holiday discount or something....or give us an alternate way to earn one every now and then. It would be nice to be able to spend points on something other than legend stones. /gripe over


They've done a pretty good job though of keeping a stream of new Legacy 7-stars coming out though, my 7-star roster feels one hell of a lot bigger/fuller than it would have if I had to depend on getting brand new 7-stars from Gem summons alone. So much so that I ran OUT of sphere frogs like a week ago. Using them faster than I can get them. I have several level 120, 7-star units that are still un-sphere'd

Yeah, these legacy units got me playing casually again. And omfg skippable scenes now? In the annals of quality of life improvements, this ranks somewhere between penicillin and the wheel. I had seriously given up on that shit. Multiple runs through slow-scrolling and unskippable exposition? Fuck off.