Brave Frontier

DoctorSpooge_sl said:

Yeah, these legacy units got me playing casually again. And omfg skippable scenes now? In the annals of quality of life improvements, this ranks somewhere between penicillin and the wheel. I had seriously given up on that shit. Multiple runs through slow-scrolling and unskippable exposition? Fuck off.

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lol true

I got sick of doing Grand Quests for a while because of that.

Tap. Tap. Tap. Tap. Tap. Tap. Tap. Tap.Tap.Tap.Tap "Hey, pounding it like that doesn't make it go any faster" Tap.Tap.Tap.TapTapTapTapTap "Hey, you know that doesn---" "I"LL CUT YOU!! I SWEAR TO GOD I WILL IF YOU FINISH THAT SENTENCE!!!" taptaptaptaptaptaptaptaptaptaptaptaptaptaptaptapta ptaptaptaptaptaptaptaptaptaptaptaptaptaptaptaptapt aptap

(20 minutes later)


....tap.............tap........tap. "Fuckin' Finally."

(Then moves Grahden's group by one location to start next the batch of dialog before engaging in a trash fight)

In the same boat as you. Iirc you've got Elimo and Darvanshel - I'm stuck with Elimo and Shera. I think I'm gonna experiment with Deimos -> Aurelia SBB and see where that takes me.

Elimo somehow manages somehow to be simultaneously meta as fuck and borderline unusable. Ishad kicked her ass to the curb for FG and I had to slot two insta-bb units to work around the bb handicap that come with her benefits. I just didn't have any other options.

Fed 30 imps to my oracle shida instead of my lord. Feels bad.

Raid drop rate ups are insanely good. Hoping by the end of the weekend to have most of the mats for 3 occult treasures and 4 revelation books.

Which raids would you recommend farming? Dont feel obligated to type out any explanation - I'll just heedlessly follow your advice and investigate later!

edit: very out of the loop atm =p

Rc5 mission 4 and rc4 mission 6 if you need buffer jewels. Rc5 mission 10 if you don't.

Well, shit. Haven't even started RC5 yet - wasn't out before I "quit" - so I'll look into the first two you suggested. Thanks, man.

If nothing else clear all ten missions in rc5. Final reward is a 10 bc per turn sphere

Ok.

Let me start off by saying I'm a f'n moron.

That out of the way, I'll admit up front that I decided to do a few pulls this morning in spite of having already read the news updates about the Rare Summons Plus gate bonus schedule for the next week.

I did a single Yolo summons a few days back from the RS+ gate.....my plan (if they didn't do anything too weird with summons) was to summon the next 4 AFTER Krantz was added, so I'd have 4 chances and the +1. Well, their upcoming "bonus resets EVERY day" part of the fine print because of unusual bonus pool changes every single day kinda forced my hand a little: So I had the choice of just letting that yolo go as it was and summon for a specific day, or summoning 4 times today before the reset and taking my chances with the full bonus pool of units.

Well, there are so many units I still want (let's face it, most of the last 3+ batches I haven't even touched - my game has been moving along based almost entirely on SBS Global Exclusives the last couple months)....so I figured, F it and did 4 summons to complete the 5 for the +1.


Dupe. Dupe. Dupe. Dupe. Oh, and the +1? Dupe.


Awesome.

On the up side, 2 of the dupes were Breaker Edea and Breaker Will, (which even though in 90% of cases I still don't much care for Breakers, the other 10% being full-on Nuker types like Hadaron / Nemethgear / Rize or something where Breaker is a great boon), but anyway, Breaker Edea and Breaker Will still beat the hell out of Oracle Edea and Oracle Will. The Downside is that they'll cost me 2 more Legend Stones to make them.

I ranked up my Oracle Will and I've never even used him in a party. Not once. Not even in a Mock group that never went into battle. Feels like dropping Legend Stone after Legend Stone for units that don't ever get used, not even for niche content.

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Here is where I could use some feedback:

The weird bonus schedule Pros: Smaller Pool of units that let you increase your odds (a bit) for a unit you are focusing on. Cons: The Limited bonus pool eliminates any chance at other highly desired non-pool units.

For instance: The day I'm missing MOST units off the bonus pool list is Day 1 (FIRE), where I still need like 6 units off the list or something Including the powerhouses Bestie and Griff. However, I think it is fair to say the unit I want most right now is Krantz, but of the *9* Light units in the bonus pool that day, I only need 4. (Kira, Raaga, Rinon and Krantz) So if I pulled on the day where my odds were best for Bestie/Griff I'd eliminate bonus chance at Krantz, or if I summoned for Krantz, I'd eliminate chances of getting Bestie/Griff as a bonus etc.

The "God Gate" if Gumi ever f'n decides to put it in instead of running a half-dozen different gates concurrently might still be 2+ Months away. (November during their anniversary event sometime is the most common guess - but it is only a guess, nobody f'n knows). Being potentially a couple months away, and the Griff batch being the power batch of the season anyway, not entirely sure it is worth waiting on at this point.

So do I play my odds at Fire where I have the best chances of getting a bonus unit not already on my roster? Or Light to increase my odds at the single unit I want the most? Or should I walk down the street, across the sand and throw this thing into the goddamn ocean?

Gotta be honest with you. Option 3 is looking like the smartest one of the bunch lately.

I could just Hoard what gems I have for all time and only drop a yolo 2-3 times a month or something, but ugh. The Griff/Krantz batch really is the power batch on the horizon. IF there is a time to use gems, it seems units from this batch are the units to drop them on. The question becomes which promotion to summon for them on.

Honestly, I don't know. I have a small stash of gems left that I still want to use (really want a Krantz, still would love a Bestie too - dreams die hard)


Summoning used to be more fun. Nowadays it just makes me angry/depressed.



TL;DR- When would you guys advise I should summon my next round of dupes?

Leto Eu`Acumen_sl said:

TL;DR- When would you guys advise I should summon my next round of dupes?

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Pull when the bonus for consecutive summons is a sweetener and not the main attraction. The smaller pool is still garbage, with fire you already have a ruby so useful units are down to bestie (replaceable with Librera), ultor (I guess), and Griff. So you have around 2/3 chance of spending 25 gems not getting shit at the gate and getting a shit bonus unit. Griff is amazing, but ever since one popped up on my friends list I can just leech off of him.

Having zenia and aurelia means that the best units available for raids and other teams are going to be libera/nadore and krantz. I would wait until there is a god gate with at least 2 of those 3 units. Which may be months.

Plus there are 2 more sbs units on the horizon.

Ao-_sl said:

I'm missing some of the lightning units, so that's where I'll be going. Hoping for Rize or Kannon or Shera.

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Mostly useless, don't you have a tridon, and krantz is better.

Ishad_sl said:

Pull when the bonus for consecutive summons is a sweetener and not the main attraction. The smaller pool is still garbage, with fire you already have a ruby so useful units are down to bestie (replaceable with Librera), ultor (I guess), and Griff. So you have around 2/3 chance of spending 25 gems not getting shit at the gate and getting a shit bonus unit. Griff is amazing, but ever since one popped up on my friends list I can just leech off of him.

Having zenia and aurelia means that the best units available for raids and other teams are going to be libera/nadore and krantz. I would wait until there is a god gate with at least 2 of those 3 units. Which may be months.

Plus there are 2 more sbs units on the horizon.

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Your words are wise and true.

My hunger for Krantz was blinding me to the whole notion that the "Super Rare Summons Plus" gate doesn't actually include a rate up on the new units. The next popular rate up should be a few weeks off yet, but those can be decent'ish. It would be criminal if they didn't include the Griff batch in the next Popular rate up...worth waiting to see I suppose.


As I understand the God Gate (as it is running in BFJP at least), it includes all the units that were originally designed with 7-star forms - and none of the units originally designed with 6-star forms or less (i.e., no legacy 7-star units in the God Gate.) If we don't see it until November, even if you only include units that were originally released with 7-star forms, that actually starts to include a helluva lot of units at this point. So on the up side you'd have 100% Chance to pull a 7-star unit, which would feel like a huuuuuge boon. But on the downside, come November you'd only have like a 2% chance at best for summoning any single specific unit....and zero chance at summoning a legacy 7-star.

I have no clue how or even if they handle rate up's on the God Gate.

6 weeks ago the God Gate sounded absolutely amazing.....by the time November rolls around though? I feel like it will have lost a LOT of it's potential luster. While 7-stars are still universally 'usable', more than half of them are oudated, many badly oudated. One example would be Feeva, who for a good while was one of the premier 7-star units in the game. (...as compared to so many units that are mediocre at best even on the first day of their release, Feeva was one of the most desired units across the entire landscape of the game for a long stretch) Nobody really wants a Feeva anymore. (Maybe for niche use during Frontier Hunter just for raw Hit Count purposes? But Frontier Hunter is a weird bird anyway - people bring Lario's to FH just for their hitcount. Basically in today's game, Feeva has been reduced to filling the same role as Lario.) Units nowadays include the stuff that Feeva does just as a footnote on the list of things they can do. The original 7 stars vs the 7 stars of today are different animals entirely. It is almost like we have started to evolve from 7 stars to 7.5 stars recently....and with the latest batch even their cost has started to rise

Come November, people are only going to want those quasi "7.5" star type units and (most of) the older 40-cost 7-star units will be old news

You have talked me off the ledge though....for now at least. I'll be keeping my eyes wide open for any rate up that includes Krantz.....then all bets are off. ...all that will be left is the aftermath...and unfortunately for you guys, you'll get a front row seat

Going to mothball the Breaker Will. Not going to spend a second Legend Stone on Will when I haven't even found a real use for his Oracle version yet. (I don't think Oracle hurts Will as much as some anyway.....still looking at you Edea.)

I'll raise Breaker Edea up to replace my Oracle, but likely not until after the next Super Honor Summons whenever that is. Finally being able to replace Oracle version of Edea with ANYTHING (even if you could make the argument that Breaker is her 2nd worst type), is still the only thing that is keeping me from regretting the hell out of my 4 summons this morning. ...and at least it was only 4. Going back to that Yolo for the 5th summon, 3 of the 5 were from Summon Tickets anyway, only spent gems on 2 of them. Still not the wisest way to spend summons but it could have been so much worse. I got an Andaria I didn't have (so I can look forward to her 7 star version) and a typing on Edea that doesn't make me want to throw up.

Going to hope for favorable groupings on the next Popular Rate up.

Too many shitty gates in a row and it really will be November before a worthwhile gate comes along anyway.

Finally finished it!

Feels good to get that monkey off my back.


(Go, Go, Global Exclusives!)

I don't care if it is cheap to stack that many global exclusives into one group - I disliked every minute of Frontier Gate and I'm glad to have it over. I still will need to farm the first 20 levels for points for a while (I don't think I'm gonna really aim higher than 400k, and just pretend that there are not any rewards at 1 Million points or anything.)...I'm not looking forward to it, but the first 20 levels is pretty mindless. Just clicking between levels while doing other things.

Ao-_sl said:

I've been yolo summoning a ton, but I'm going to wait until there are either more units I need in a release/pool than I already have, or until it's a special summon gate for what I want/need. The elemental pool thing sucks, because I'm not positive how much I need from the current pool AND I only have a chance at the elemental pool I want.

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For whatever it is worth, Ishad was absolutely correct with his advice to me earlier. It is the advice I normally give when I am not suffering temporary insanity due to Krantz Fever.

Popular Rate ups are generally good times to summon if you need several units from a group (better rates than most gates on quality units with +1 bonus from Popular pool.)

The "Frontier Hunter" "Group of 15" gate that recently ran was actually a really really good gate. It was 6 gems but it had a grand total of only 15 units in the entire pool, and they were basically all good, some downright magnificent. I almost wish I had dropped a couple more summons on that one - even if you had 75% of the units, you'd still have a 1 in 4 chance at getting a really nice pull and that is radically better than most gates.

I do drop a yolo summons every now and then, and Doc would too, but mostly that is to scratch the itch and occasionally get lucky - it isn't the wisest move though.

Both of the current Rare Summons gates suck though, the +1's are a gimmick because there is no real rate up on the primary newly-released units pictured on the banner(s). The "current pool" for the SRS+ Gate is literally every single summonable unit in the game that has at least a 5-star form. I deserved worse than the gentle chiding Ishad tossed my way earlier lol, I knew better. Blinded by Krantz I tell you.

According to the spreadsheet they have running on Reddit to track summons atm, the "Super Honor Summons Plus" gate is only giving ~1.64% chance at summoning a Krantz and he is the highest one listed. ~1.5% suuucks. (and generally if anything, folks will over-report there a bit because they are happy to get a new unit and want to say so, so the numbers can even be inflated a tad. 1.5% is into never-ever summon territory.)

Best thing to do is to bide your time and hoard all you can stand to hoard waiting for the right gate to come along.....then when it does, drop the bank on it.

I was without a mitigator for a long time, so I feel you on not having something that youneedto run things and run them well. Damn if it ain't frustrating. Have Faith though. Ishad is better at this than any of us....when in doubt, ask him first. He won't steer you wrong. He is generally more patient than I can be though lol

Did 5 because I'm stupid. Got another Bestie. /duck. Also Sixgear and Yuura and another Dion. My incredible luck with extremely solid pulls that I don't fucking want continues. I just need Rinon for my Oracle Knight collection - hell, another Yuura and two Rinons and I'd have summoned two complete sets.

I read the summon events carefully as well as Leto's post but I'm seriously clinging to a thread here. Been so frustrated with the game of late that I've seriously felt like my continued participation requires the excitement of summons. I haven't enjoyed anything else since beating FG and I continue to resent ghastly decorum exhibited by Gumi since the rollout of 7* units.

Anyway, I'll stop bitching. And grats, Leto!

Edit: let me go ahead and clarify that I'm extremely pleased with those summons considering there was no rateup. Just wish I wasn't at the point where I don't really enjoy playing and thus feel compelled to waste gems, which'll obviously only make things worse. I was supposed to be hoarding gems on hiatus. Instead I came back for the new globals and spent almoat half my shit.