Mist
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Butthurt white guys, an Asian virgin and an angry lesbian walk into a bar...
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Mist
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No, they don't give the students an opportunity to learn. They know the professors don't teach worth a shit. They know that the freshmen that do pass have to resort to cheating in their overpacked auditorium sized classrooms. They know exactly what kind of scam they're setting up. The first year dropout rates are absurd even by state-school standards. And they're using tax dollars to fuel this scam.
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All I said was male wasn't drunk, female was. I didn't say anything about any breathalyzer or field sobriety tests or blood tests to show levels of intox. In your school board hearing scenario, if the female says she wasn't drunk and the male says she was, and the female says the male was drunk and he says he wasn't, what now?
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As someone who went to a school at 18 with auditorium classrooms for first year classes, I understand they aren't a good teaching venue. But I took the lectures seriously, took notes, studied on my own (gasp) and made good grades. The classes are an opportunity to show your responsibility as well as intelligence. You propose hand-holding, I think thats bullshit. If people need their hands held after 13 years of schooling, perhaps higher education just isn't for them.
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What total and complete bullshit. You are saying the professors know that to pass students have to cheat? Just to pass?
Please, this is so absurd I don't even know what to say. I have never, in any schooling myself on the way to my doctorate or in teaching, ever even seen a class where even a significant minority of studentshadto cheat to pass a class. This in classes FAR FAR harder than entry level freshman bullshit.
Mist
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It IS absurd. They miraculously stopped flunking as many freshman out by changing the probation policies once they had finished construction of more dorms to scam them out of another year of on-campus housing.
And I won't even go into the campus parking situation.
And I won't even go into the campus parking situation.
Mist
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Why even have a drinking age if you're going to let college kids drink themselves into oblivion anyway?
All this drinking is just causing too many problem, and ridiculous rape allegations are just one of them. I think the absurd accusations of 'campus rape culture' would go down if there was less underage drinking.
I don't think that's an extreme point of view.
khalid
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You are against drinking. Fine, SAY THAT, don't defend lowering the standard of proof in rape cases as a way to lower drinking on campus.
Just fucking say you want to enforce current drinking laws on campuses. That is a rational position that I can disagree with but see where you are coming from.
Just fucking say you want to enforce current drinking laws on campuses. That is a rational position that I can disagree with but see where you are coming from.
khalid
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College means a shitload to people. Just because you hate college, doesn't mean it can't be a horrible life-destroying experience to get kicked out of college. People get visa's particularly to go to college in the US for example, and if they get kicked off of campus they lose their visa. Other people put thousands of dollars, go into vast debt, to go to school.
It is really contemptible for you to downplay the consequences just because you work on a shitty campus that is very clearly a total outlier. It is even more contemptible for you defend putting rape allegations on a really low burden of proof as a way to backdoor anti-drinking.
It is really contemptible for you to downplay the consequences just because you work on a shitty campus that is very clearly a total outlier. It is even more contemptible for you defend putting rape allegations on a really low burden of proof as a way to backdoor anti-drinking.
Mist
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It's the same burden of proof used for all civil law cases in the US. To say it is really low would be to question the validity of all US civil law.
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Clearly the undercurrent here is that Mist thinks all those cute girls who give themselves up freely to men (who are disgusting, in Mist's lesbian view) must only be doing so because they are intoxicated; surely they could see how ugly and nasty men are if they weren't drunk. If only all the cute college hotties didn't get drunk, they'd see the light and join Mist for some sapphic love.
Everything she's said has been anti drinking, anti-men, and even a lot of anti-woman stuff. My 2-bit psychoanalysis says she hates the women for giving themselves up to men and hates drinking for being the lubricant.
What do you LIKE, Mist? What makes you happy? So far you've been kind of an everything-is-negative bitch, honestly. Lets talk about what makes your jimmies tingle.
Everything she's said has been anti drinking, anti-men, and even a lot of anti-woman stuff. My 2-bit psychoanalysis says she hates the women for giving themselves up to men and hates drinking for being the lubricant.
What do you LIKE, Mist? What makes you happy? So far you've been kind of an everything-is-negative bitch, honestly. Lets talk about what makes your jimmies tingle.
khalid
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Stop sidestepping. You want to lower the burden of proof for rape allegations at college in the service of a crusade against underage drinking. That is an absurd position and if you had even an ounce of decency in you, you would realize that.
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It is but this is disingenuous; there are very specific causes of action that are valid in what you're calling "civil law" (I think you just mean civil cases, most civil causes of action are based in common law not civil law unless you live in Louisiana). Those type of school board hearings and such don't really have any standard of proof, they are kangaroo courts. They're a vaguely quasi-judicial proceeding without any of the protections of a real court.
Mist
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Cad
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At least you're realistic about it and you didn't say "winning arguments with idiots on the internet", that would have been overreaching.
Mist
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That's true, which is why I don't think lowering the standards of evidence is as big of a deal as the article makes it out to be, since the college can do whatever they want to do anyway.
More accountability all-around would be good. I was proposing accountability for the accuser if they admit to being willingly drunk. This all started with me actually trying to side with you guys, just from a different angle, by putting some burden on the accuser.
khalid
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Accountability for what exactly?
Exactly. Accountability for legal activity, all because she works at a shitty school and hates alcohol. Which btw, I hate alcohol too. Just not on this silly fucking level.