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Mist

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Not to mention her whole argument banishes when everyone reaches 21. The school now is policing a perfectly legal activity, among consenting, maybe slightly intoxicated adults.
After 21 most people live and party in nearby off-campus communities at most schools, and the college should just have nothing to do with it.
 

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I was proposing accountability for the accuser if they admit to being willingly drunk. This all started with me actually trying to side with you guys, just from a different angle, by putting some burden on the accuser.
You are not siding with us, you are creating the position of if the person is drunk if they semi committed rape, then it is wrong. But if they are not drunk, then it is ok, because it cant be proven. In your point of view sober people cant rape other people.
 

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That's true, which is why I don't think lowering the standards of evidence is as big of a deal as the article makes it out to be, since the college can do whatever they want to do anyway.

More accountability all-around would be good. I was proposing accountability for the accuser if they admit to being willingly drunk. This all started with me actually trying to side with you guys, just from a different angle, by putting some burden on the accuser.
Who would admit to being drunk if the penalty for drunken sex was expulsion?
 

Mist

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You are not siding with us, you are creating the position of if the person is drunk if they semi committed rape, then it is wrong. But if they are not drunk, then it is ok, because it cant be proven. In your point of view sober people cant rape other people.
Stop shitting up this thread with your terrible reading comprehension ability.
 

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After 21 most people live and party in nearby off-campus communities at most schools, and the college should just have nothing to do with it.
But that is not what the policies says. Even if they are over 21 and living in campus, they still have rights. such as get drunk.
 

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Stop shitting up this thread with your terrible reading comprehension ability.
You were the one suggesting that if the male was not drunk, then a third party was needed to determine to determine rapeness. But if the male was drunk, then no third party was needed. Those were your words not mine.

I forgot when alcohol makes people rapey. Nor when it prove anything other than been intoxicated.

We are not siding with you, because the lower burden of proof, basically a she says is enough, will mean it will be abused by one gender over the other.
 

Mist

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Who would admit to being drunk if the penalty for drunken sex was expulsion?
Exactly. So if the accuser doesn't admit to being drunk they can't use the 'I consented but only because I was drunk so I didn't really consent' argument. It's a way of eliminating that argument, which you guys all seemed to be in favor of eliminating for the past I dunno, 60 fucking pages.

If the accuser doesn't admit to being drunk then they have to prove it was actual forceful rape, which there should be some evidence of if it was true.
 

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Why are you all still arguing with the Bulldyke? She has no grip on facts, reality, arguments, logic, or anything relevant to any discussion here. She just likes the attention.
 

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Exactly. So if the accuser doesn't admit to being drunk they can't use the 'I consented but only because I was drunk so I didn't really consent' argument. It's a way of eliminating that argument, which you guys all seemed to be in favor of eliminating for the past I dunno, 60 fucking pages.

If the accuser doesn't admit to being drunk then they have to prove it was actual forceful rape, which there should be some evidence of if it was true.
OMG.. the accuser is the female. If she clearly states that she was not drunk, why are we here for? Because she didn't drink and had sex with the guy?
 

Mist

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Why are you all still arguing with the Bulldyke? She has no grip on facts, reality, arguments, logic, or anything relevant to any discussion here. She just likes the attention.
I don't know why they're arguing with me when I'm trying to come up with ways to reduce the validity of the "I only consented because I was drunk" argument.
 

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I don't know why they're arguing with me when I'm trying to come up with ways to reduce the validity of the "I only consented because I was drunk" argument.
No, you aren't. You are engaging in some weird anti-alcohol crusade.
 

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Here are your own words.
And yeah, teaching people that if you do something while you're drunk, you're going to be held responsible for it IS a life lesson, which is why I think kicking both the accuser and the accused out is the best option in those specific cases, and will teach both of them the appropriate lesson.
So you are proposing that if a person brings a charge of rape against another person. The side that is drunk, it could be both sides, gets expelled? Rape really doesnt matter, it is about the drinking.
 

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This whole argument from Mist about how she's "trying to help us" by taking the "I only consented because I was drunk" line off the table is just hilarious. Sure, it means 50% of the male population of the school will get expelled for drinking, but women won't say they only consented because they were drunk! They'll just say they flatly didn't consent. Period. Nothing will change except now we'll get expelled for drinking.

But yea, you're out to "help us". How about you help us by finding yourself a nice fat dick to suck and stop typing words on the internet. That'd be a big help.
 

Mist

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If she says she flatly didn't consent, then there would need to be evidence of forcible rape.

You're an idiot. What I'm saying is that "campus rape culture" has absolutely nothing to do with actual rape and everything to do with an extremely permissive attitude towards underage drinking.

Even when I'm trying to agree with you, you keep arguing. Are you sure YOU'RE not a woman?
 

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If she says she flatly didn't consent, then there would need to be evidence of forcible rape.

You're an idiot. What I'm saying is that "campus rape culture" has absolutely nothing to do with actual rape and everything to do with an extremely permissive attitude towards underage drinking.

Even when I'm trying to agree with you, you keep arguing. Are you sure YOU'RE not a woman?
Well my wife is pregnant, and i have been a lot lately. Now i do agree with you, however the current narrative in the media is not about underage drinking, is about campus rapes, not campus drinking.
I actually don't consider drinking in dorms or frats or sororities a problem as they are not driving.
 

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Mist

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Well my wife is pregnant, and i have been a lot lately. Now i do agree with you, however the current narrative in the media is not about underage drinking, is about campus rapes, not campus drinking.
I actually don't consider drinking in dorms or frats or sororities a problem as they are not driving.
Well that's what I'm saying. The narrative needs to shift from 'zomg there's too much rape on campus' to 'zomg there's too much drinking on campus.'

But our media is sponsored by alcohol companies so that's not going to happen.
 

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