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Whether the campus has its own law enforcement agency (which ours do, and basically all large campuses do, regardless of where their legal authority actually comes from) is completely pointless to the fact that campuses are not enforcing FEDERAL law, aka, the drinking age.
Underage drinking isn't a federal crime. There isn't a federal drinking age law. The National Minimum Drinking Age Act punishes states that allow persons below 21 years to buy alcohol by decreasing how much highway money they get.
 

Mist

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Underage drinking isn't a federal crime. There isn't a federal drinking age law. The National Minimum Drinking Age Act punishes states that allow persons below 21 years to buy alcohol by decreasing how much highway money they get.
Good point.

So state law, in every state. Universities definitely have both the right and the obligation to enforce that though.
 

Tanoomba

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Off-topic of the ass cancer y'all are engaging in, but why is wearing blackface automatically racist? Is wearing a mask of Obama also racist? I was thinking of that chick that dressed up as crazy eyes for halloween. How was that remotely racist? Crazy eyes is black, and so she tried to appear black to improve her costume. In what way does this imply that she feels black skinned people are an inferior kind of being?
My guess is racism is in the eyes of the offended. You don't have to intentionally do something racist for it to be perceived as racist. Just look at how often "American Inventor" is tossed around here by people who sincerely claim not to be racist ("It's a joke!"/"It's a word!"/"We're taking the power away!"/etc).

If you think that's not fair, you might have a point. But in the end being racist (whether intentionally or not) is not illegal. People can act in ways that they know will be perceived as racist and people will call them racist, but so what? As has been said many times, nobody has a right to not be offended. Whoever dressed up as Crazy Eyes might not have meant it to be racist, but she had to have known that black face is more often than not perceived to be racist. She did it anyway, as is her right, and a bunch of people apparently got offended, which is their right. No laws were broken and whatever consequences this girl will have to face will be due to a shitty judgment call on her part, which is a part of life. We all have to face the consequences of shitty decisions, including doing perfectly legal things that piss other people off.
 

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Good point.

So state law, in every state. Universities definitely have both the right and the obligation to enforce that though.
Aaaaactually, they don't. Police officers and agencies have discretion as to when they make arrests/enforce the law. You can totally drive by a cop at 75 in a 55, and they can ignore you, there's no "obligation".

Lawsuits like that have been tried where cops "should have" arrested X individual but didn't, and X individual killed someone. Unless you can point to this obligation in case law or statute....
 

Cad

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My guess is racism is in the eyes of the offended. You don't have to intentionally do something racist for it to be perceived as racist. Just look at how often "American Inventor" is tossed around here by people who sincerely claim not to be racist ("It's a joke!"/"It's a word!"/"We're taking the power away!"/etc).

If you think that's not fair, you might have a point. But in the end being racist (whether intentionally or not) is not illegal. People can act in ways that they know will be perceived as racist and people will call them racist, but so what? As has been said many times, nobody has a right to not be offended. Whoever dressed up as Crazy Eyes might not have meant it to be racist, but she had to have known that black face is more often than not perceived to be racist. She did it anyway, as is her right, and a bunch of people apparently got offended, which is their right. No laws were broken and whatever consequences this girl will have to face will be due to a shitty judgment call on her part, which is a part of life. We all have to face the consequences of shitty decisions, including doing perfectly legal things that piss other people off.
He says after arguing for a month that Zimmerman should go to prison because he was racist
 

iannis

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Mist, I don't drink either. And I don't give a single fuck if anyone else does. Not a single fuck.

I do care if they act irresponsibly, and I do care if they try to blame it on the alcohol as some sort of absolution. That's not an argument. That's just bullshit. While I do not make a habit of drinking, I have been drunk.

You really do seem to be blaming it on the alcohol. Same as the drunks. Bullshit. There's no argument. That's just bullshit.
 

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And Mist, if you're really at URI, thats your problem. Its a shitty school. They accept anyone with a pulse who can fill out the application. Try to get a job at a school thats not a blatant diploma mill.
 

Mist

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Mist, I don't drink either. And I don't give a single fuck if anyone else does. Not a single fuck.

I do care if they act irresponsibly, and I do care if they try to blame it on the alcohol as some sort of absolution. That's not an argument. That's just bullshit. While I do not make a habit of drinking, I have been drunk.

You really do seem to be blaming it on the alcohol. Same as the drunks. Bullshit. There's no argument. That's just bullshit.
I'm not blaming it on the alcohol. I'm blaming it on school administrations for letting the drinking happen, and the drinking is why the rapes (and also 'rapes') are happening.

It would seem more logical than the feminists saying its because all men are rapists.
 

Mist

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Aaaaactually, they don't. Police officers and agencies have discretion as to when they make arrests/enforce the law. You can totally drive by a cop at 75 in a 55, and they can ignore you, there's no "obligation".

Lawsuits like that have been tried where cops "should have" arrested X individual but didn't, and X individual killed someone. Unless you can point to this obligation in case law or statute....
Right, you're actually backing up my point. The school has full control over it's own law enforcement agency, and is opting not to enforce the law.

You're right in that they're probably not legally liable.
 

Mist

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I decided after some googling that I'm not even going to try to navigate the mess that is the Penn State lawsuits.

Apparently some civil suits were dismissed, while others are still active, and there's still a criminal conspiracy case.
 

Tanoomba

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He says after arguing for a month that Zimmerman should go to prison because he was racist
First of all, you're comparing killing a human being with painting one's face. Nice try.
Secondly, I've stated a hundred times since then that Zimmerman was legally in the right, that he did nothing wrong. You're using an example of me admitting I was wrong (which already makes me more open-minded than the majority) to illustrate... something or other, I suppose. Perhaps to illustrate that, on more than one occasion, I have taken the stance that being perceived as racist has social consequences? Oh, the hypocrisy!

Again: Terrible lawyer.
 

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My guess is racism is in the eyes of the offended. You don't have to intentionally do something racist for it to be perceived as racist. Just look at how often "American Inventor" is tossed around here by people who sincerely claim not to be racist ("It's a joke!"/"It's a word!"/"We're taking the power away!"/etc).

If you think that's not fair, you might have a point. But in the end being racist (whether intentionally or not) is not illegal.
My issue with it, and I'm not saying you are even arguing against this point, is that this often results in attacks on people that are well-meaning for little gain it seems. For example, the person in question dressed up as "crazy eyes" from Orange is hte new Black. This is a very multi-cultural show, with many strong black female characters, even a strong transgender character. It is very very clear that this person meant nothing negative by it, if anything she was embracing this show and one of its black female characters. So what in the end are they gaining from attacking this person and making her apologize?

It just seems so sad and counterproductive. I just wish one time one of these people would say "I was celebrating her and am a huge fan of her character, I'm sorry if you were offended" and leave it at that.
 

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My issue with it, and I'm not saying you are even arguing against this point, is that this often results in attacks on people that are well-meaning for little gain it seems. For example, the person in question dressed up as "crazy eyes" from Orange is hte new Black. This is a very multi-cultural show, with many strong black female characters, even a strong transgender character. It is very very clear that this person meant nothing negative by it, if anything she was embracing this show and one of its black female characters. So what in the end are they gaining from attacking this person and making her apologize?

It just seems so sad and counterproductive. I just wish one time one of these people would say "I was celebrating her and am a huge fan of her character, I'm sorry if you were offended" and leave it at that.
You haven't heard about cultural appropriation? It's the latest Tumblr feminist/PoCthing....Essentially, if you use anything created by a minority, from wearing dread locks, to drawing a picture of a spirit animal--then you're being racist. So, if you've ever said "that's tight", as a white person--you are now a racist. That's how the low the bar is now set for the internet-victims.

Let me provide an example though. This is Wil Wheaton's blog. He used a spirit animal for some shit, and someone said he was "appropriating" native American culture. So, Wil Wheaton, being a social justice warrior himself, thought it was weird but then prostrates himself for being white, and male; explaining that being white and male makes him the devil and he's had it easier due to his pure evil. He then apologizes for the offense and agrees never to culturally appropriate again. (Example below).

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You'd figure such a sincere apology would be fine; given how ridiculous the whole concept of "Cultural appropriation" is. But, alas, apologies are like fucking blood in the water for these Tumblr lunatics, and he was "educated" on why his apology was simply an extension of the patriarchal white male's oppression of everything.

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One thing Mist was spot on about, Tumblr turned the moderate craziness of second wave feminism, into a completely unhinged, incoherent ideology that seems to attract mentally ill people to it's cause.
 

khalid

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Yikes Lithose. I thought Wil Wheaton's apology was ridiculously over the top and yet it still wasn't enough.

Anyway, all that points out the problem. It means, that in order to be "safe", I should just not use any part of anyone else's culture or I might be accused of appropriation. Ie: Stealing their culture by celebrating it! So instead, I'll just do my own culture thing. How the fuck is that better? I just don't get it.
 

iannis

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Yeah, will is a dipshit.

Never trust anyone that says BCE. In poker you call that a tell.

I like his show though.
 

Lithose

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Yikes Lithose. I thought Wil Wheaton's apology was ridiculously over the top and yet it still wasn't enough.

Anyway, all that points out the problem. It means, that in order to be "safe", I should just not use any part of anyone else's culture or I might be accused of appropriation. Ie: Stealing their culture by celebrating it!So instead, I'll just do my own culture thing. How the fuck is that better? I just don't get it.
It's not better, you racist. If you're not able to use the idiolect (Dialect?) of a minority group--then you are excluding them from the social institutions, which has massive legal and financial ramifications for minorities. So by not including their culture into our own, us evil white devils have propagated events like what we saw withRachel Jenteal. Where you hadmultiple mediaoutletschastisingwhite people for not understanding "BAE" (Black American English), and therefor making people who use it, like Jenteal, look stupid when they talk to white people. Which was an example of how we use SAE (Standardized American English) and other social "rules" to uphold our status and rob minorities of power.

It really is unbelievably crazy and dogmatic at this point.