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Or because, you know, you actually have some principles and refuse to take the easy way. I don't need the bar lowered for me. I can make it on the same playing field as everyone else.Not taking advantage of that stuff is like not taking every possible deduction on your taxes, you're just an idiot screwing yourself if you don't.
A man with integrity.Or because, you know, you actually have some principles and refuse to take the easy way. I don't need the bar lowered for me. I can make it on the same playing field as everyone else.
Not saying I don't take pell grants. My GI bill paid for my schooling. And I worked thru school to support my family. I'm not in any tremendous debt.So much pride in being a debt-slave for your entire life. Wake the fuck up.
To the rest of your sub-race, it's not enough and they deserve more.Edited to add: I'd rather earn a scholarship than be given it for my skin color. You might not understand that (or maybe you do). To me it's insulting.
Alt Araysar was using to circumvent his weeklong ban. But Araysar never trolls!!!So why'd the OP get banned?
Well this is why they should be switching to focus on class. 70% of blacks fall on an income curve very similar to whites (though they still have half as much total wealth due mainly to missing generations of inherited property.) But about 30% aren't even on the chart.Not saying I don't take pell grants. My GI bill paid for my schooling. And I worked thru school to support my family. I'm not in any tremendous debt.
I'm talking about advancing with lower scores like I'm incapable of doing the same work as others. That's why I hate affirmative action.
Edited to add: I'd rather earn a scholarship than be given it for my skin color. You might not understand that (or maybe you do). To me it's insulting.
I grew up poor. My parents raised us in bad neighborhoods down the street from a lot of my cousins. They started the same place I did. The only thing that held them back was their choices. I played sports, focused on school and girls. They sold drugs and focused on gang banging. I went to the military and college. They went to jail.Well this is why they should be switching to focus on class. 70% of blacks fall on an income curve very similar to whites (though they still have half as much total wealth due mainly to missing generations of inherited property.) But about 30% aren't even on the chart.
But for the people who fall completely off the scale at the bottom of the curve, they started the race 20 meters back, and had a bunch of huddled on their track ontop of it, and expecting them to put up comparable numbers defies logic. If you're looking for runners, are you going to take the guy that finished in 11 seconds versus the guy that finished in 12 when he started 20 meters behind everyone else?
But you still need some accounting for diversity. Not in things like physics or computer science programs of course, but if you're talking about social sciences or education or the arts, then yes, maybe for a few slots its better to put someone in the program that brings a unique perspective, for the sheer purpose of adding value to the program, than it is to take someone with higher numbers on a sheet of paper.
Itsa me, Grimsark!But for the people who fall completely off the scale at the bottom of the curve, they started the race 20 meters back, and had a bunch of huddled on their track ontop of it, and expecting them to put up comparable numbers defies logic. If you're looking for runners, are you going to take the guy that finished in 11 seconds versus the guy that finished in 12 when he started 20 meters behind everyone else?
Doesn't apply. We're not talking about people who never tried. We're talking about comparing two people who ran the race and both jumped through the hoops but one came up a little shorter than the other despite running a harder race.Itsa me, Grimsark!
Start at about 22 minutes.
Not a fan of Stefan overall but I really,reallylike that specific line of reasoning.
Oh, look, a line of reasoning that might get someone promoted instead of reinforcing their own sense of victim-hood through self-inflicted mediocrity.Or because, you know, you actually have some principles and refuse to take the easy way. I don't need the bar lowered for me. I can make it on the same playing field as everyone else.
Oh... lookey what we found here...I grew up poor.My parents raised usin bad neighborhoods down the street from a lot of my cousins.
Sure, but you know what Flip, I would guess you do well for yourself despite that simply because of your attitude towards life. Could you go seek out places where idiots would discriminate against you? Sure. I do not think I would travel in certain areas of some major cities with my skin color, just for the sake of prudence. Similarly, I do not want to wander around many countries in Europe, Asia, Africa or South America outside of well marked tourist zones because I would be proper fucked. Guess what, so would any black American, too. Plus, if two people are equally upstanding members of society despite skin color, I highly doubt that it's ever going to come down to which one gets sentenced harder for a crime because neither will be involved in one.Another post slightly more on topic, white males do have a little privilege. You never fit the "description". You are less likely to be locked up for the same crime a black or Hispanic person will go to jail for.
Let's face it. Life isn't fair. It isn't about what you know, it's who you know and always has been. Most minorities just don't know as many people in the upper echelon of society to get those "huge" breaks. It's changed some in the last decade but the "good ole boys" club is synonymous with white males.
Of course it applies. You are crying to the whole world about how unfair things are and perpetuating a culture of victim hood that strangles ambition and drive in its crib. Oh the horrid unfairness of it all! Let's all be misanthropic cynics and bemoan our stage in life. Can anyone lend me some 150 dollars worth of MTGO cards please?Doesn't apply.
I think, and the data support it, that the US has slid backwards as far as opportunity is concerned, and by a significant margin, versus what the past two generations had access to. It used to be that you could just show up to one of the many plentiful jobs and you'd get a chance to prove yourself. Now you've got to pay 40k-160k for an education first before you even get a CHANCE to get a job before you get ANOTHER CHANCE to prove yourself. And even once you DO prove yourself, the share of the pie you're going to get is the smallest it's been in 40 years. And all the military vets in this thread boggle my fucking mind, because you guys are getting shit on in this job market more than anyone else, statistically speaking.Compared to every other time in history things are looking pretty fucking goddamn aces.