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Not taking advantage of that stuff is like not taking every possible deduction on your taxes, you're just an idiot screwing yourself if you don't.
Or because, you know, you actually have some principles and refuse to take the easy way. I don't need the bar lowered for me. I can make it on the same playing field as everyone else.
 

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Or because, you know, you actually have some principles and refuse to take the easy way. I don't need the bar lowered for me. I can make it on the same playing field as everyone else.
A man with integrity.
 

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So much pride in being a debt-slave for your entire life. Wake the fuck up.

I definitely thought like you when I was in school. I could have gone to Brown for free but went to a shitty state school instead rather than apply for scholarships.

I would not choose the same way now.
 

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So much pride in being a debt-slave for your entire life. Wake the fuck up.
Not saying I don't take pell grants. My GI bill paid for my schooling. And I worked thru school to support my family. I'm not in any tremendous debt.

I'm talking about advancing with lower scores like I'm incapable of doing the same work as others. That's why I hate affirmative action.

Edited to add: I'd rather earn a scholarship than be given it for my skin color. You might not understand that (or maybe you do). To me it's insulting.
 

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Well this was a dumb innocuous thread for him to make. Should have pretended to be a cancer survivor or Wizardhawk or something.
 

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Not saying I don't take pell grants. My GI bill paid for my schooling. And I worked thru school to support my family. I'm not in any tremendous debt.

I'm talking about advancing with lower scores like I'm incapable of doing the same work as others. That's why I hate affirmative action.

Edited to add: I'd rather earn a scholarship than be given it for my skin color. You might not understand that (or maybe you do). To me it's insulting.
Well this is why they should be switching to focus on class. 70% of blacks fall on an income curve very similar to whites (though they still have half as much total wealth due mainly to missing generations of inherited property.) But about 30% aren't even on the chart.

But for the people who fall completely off the scale at the bottom of the curve, they started the race 20 meters back, and had a bunch of huddled on their track ontop of it, and expecting them to put up comparable numbers defies logic. If you're looking for runners, are you going to take the guy that finished in 11 seconds versus the guy that finished in 12 when he started 20 meters behind everyone else?

But you still need some accounting for diversity. Not in things like physics or computer science programs of course, but if you're talking about social sciences or education or the arts, then yes, maybe for a few slots its better to put someone in the program that brings a unique perspective, for the sheer purpose of adding value to the program, than it is to take someone with higher numbers on a sheet of paper.
 

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Well this is why they should be switching to focus on class. 70% of blacks fall on an income curve very similar to whites (though they still have half as much total wealth due mainly to missing generations of inherited property.) But about 30% aren't even on the chart.

But for the people who fall completely off the scale at the bottom of the curve, they started the race 20 meters back, and had a bunch of huddled on their track ontop of it, and expecting them to put up comparable numbers defies logic. If you're looking for runners, are you going to take the guy that finished in 11 seconds versus the guy that finished in 12 when he started 20 meters behind everyone else?

But you still need some accounting for diversity. Not in things like physics or computer science programs of course, but if you're talking about social sciences or education or the arts, then yes, maybe for a few slots its better to put someone in the program that brings a unique perspective, for the sheer purpose of adding value to the program, than it is to take someone with higher numbers on a sheet of paper.
I grew up poor. My parents raised us in bad neighborhoods down the street from a lot of my cousins. They started the same place I did. The only thing that held them back was their choices. I played sports, focused on school and girls. They sold drugs and focused on gang banging. I went to the military and college. They went to jail.

Everything that transpired in their life was a result of their choices in life. It's like that for a lot of black people. The lifestyle they glorify is not one compatible with civilized society. They all gave me grief when I graduated college like, "you thank you betta the errbody because you went to college". My cousin got out jail after 5 years and they throw a party. As a race, it would seem our values are just misplaced and big reason why we lag behind.

Now there are exceptions to the rule and plenty of educated blacks. So it's possible to achieve this without handouts or help. Entitlement programs like affirmative action won't help the black race. Better role models and a healthier lifestyle will get us much further on our own.
 

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Another post slightly more on topic, white males do have a little privilege. You never fit the "description". You are less likely to be locked up for the same crime a black or Hispanic person will go to jail for.

Let's face it. Life isn't fair. It isn't about what you know, it's who you know and always has been. Most minorities just don't know as many people in the upper echelon of society to get those "huge" breaks. It's changed some in the last decade but the "good ole boys" club is synonymous with white males.
 

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But for the people who fall completely off the scale at the bottom of the curve, they started the race 20 meters back, and had a bunch of huddled on their track ontop of it, and expecting them to put up comparable numbers defies logic. If you're looking for runners, are you going to take the guy that finished in 11 seconds versus the guy that finished in 12 when he started 20 meters behind everyone else?
Itsa me, Grimsark!

Start at about 22 minutes.



Not a fan of Stefan overall but I really,reallylike that specific line of reasoning.
 

Mist

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Itsa me, Grimsark!

Start at about 22 minutes.




Not a fan of Stefan overall but I really,reallylike that specific line of reasoning.
Doesn't apply. We're not talking about people who never tried. We're talking about comparing two people who ran the race and both jumped through the hoops but one came up a little shorter than the other despite running a harder race.

Also that guy is just a fucking moron who uses every single formal and informal fallacy in the book to make his supposed philosophical arguments. There's a reason Philosophy 101 is Logic, he might actually want to try using it.
 

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Or because, you know, you actually have some principles and refuse to take the easy way. I don't need the bar lowered for me. I can make it on the same playing field as everyone else.
Oh, look, a line of reasoning that might get someone promoted instead of reinforcing their own sense of victim-hood through self-inflicted mediocrity.

I grew up poor.My parents raised usin bad neighborhoods down the street from a lot of my cousins.
Oh... lookey what we found here...

Another post slightly more on topic, white males do have a little privilege. You never fit the "description". You are less likely to be locked up for the same crime a black or Hispanic person will go to jail for.

Let's face it. Life isn't fair. It isn't about what you know, it's who you know and always has been. Most minorities just don't know as many people in the upper echelon of society to get those "huge" breaks. It's changed some in the last decade but the "good ole boys" club is synonymous with white males.
Sure, but you know what Flip, I would guess you do well for yourself despite that simply because of your attitude towards life. Could you go seek out places where idiots would discriminate against you? Sure. I do not think I would travel in certain areas of some major cities with my skin color, just for the sake of prudence. Similarly, I do not want to wander around many countries in Europe, Asia, Africa or South America outside of well marked tourist zones because I would be proper fucked. Guess what, so would any black American, too. Plus, if two people are equally upstanding members of society despite skin color, I highly doubt that it's ever going to come down to which one gets sentenced harder for a crime because neither will be involved in one.

This whole privilege argument is so fucking retarded because it's based around identifying and causing guilt for privilege which is largely irrelevant in any one person's life. Every single person of any color I've met who had a basic support structure as a child (even if it was a bad childhood) turned out to be an acceptable person. Sure, some are douchebags I would never be friends with, some might have minimum wage jobs until they die, but they are all people that survive by creating their own happiness so they don't see the world as needing to take that from others. The problem isn't black people, it's 'black' culture, IE reinforcing the self and the racial identity over basic human and social qualities. There are a million videos by successful black comedians/politicians/etc. who harp on the same damn thing, it isn't a new discovery I'm pointing out here. When you cement values in family (even shitty ones) you are instilling a sense that a person must care about others at times, even if they truly don't like them. When you cement values in the self, that doesn't exist. The basic empathy isn't there. There are too many black parents that are selfish and they pass that on to their kids. Maybe they think they are 'preparing' them for a life of racial prejudice and being alone because they were? I'm not sure.
 

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I'd definitely want to be a sexy white woman than a normal white dude if I could redo. So much privilege.
 

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Doesn't apply.
Of course it applies. You are crying to the whole world about how unfair things are and perpetuating a culture of victim hood that strangles ambition and drive in its crib. Oh the horrid unfairness of it all! Let's all be misanthropic cynics and bemoan our stage in life. Can anyone lend me some 150 dollars worth of MTGO cards please?

And he's right about one thing. Compared to every other time in history things are looking pretty fucking goddamn aces.
 

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Compared to every other time in history things are looking pretty fucking goddamn aces.
I think, and the data support it, that the US has slid backwards as far as opportunity is concerned, and by a significant margin, versus what the past two generations had access to. It used to be that you could just show up to one of the many plentiful jobs and you'd get a chance to prove yourself. Now you've got to pay 40k-160k for an education first before you even get a CHANCE to get a job before you get ANOTHER CHANCE to prove yourself. And even once you DO prove yourself, the share of the pie you're going to get is the smallest it's been in 40 years. And all the military vets in this thread boggle my fucking mind, because you guys are getting shit on in this job market more than anyone else, statistically speaking.

On my other point, all I'm saying is that if you're a college admissions officer or a graduate admissions officer evaluating the POTENTIAL of a given candidate, you're not doing your due diligence if you only look at the finish line and totally disregard where the candidate started at.

And I personally HATE the term privilege, but its a lot better than white guilt. Because it's NOT about feeling guilty for whatyouhave, 'checking your privilege' is about giving proper respect to those others that got to the same place you're at if they had a harder road to travel to get there.