Butthurt white guys, an Asian virgin and an angry lesbian walk into a bar...
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Yea, except Federal Student Aid. Not saying it isn't broken, but anyone can get loans to go to college and they will succeed if they are properly driven to. Doesn't mean those shitty failing industrial cities where they pay half as much for schools in some depressed areas are correct, but they can be overcome.
People need to stop thinking fair is a synonym for equity, it's not. Fair means you CAN accomplish the same thing. Doesn't mean it won't be harder, just means it's capable. The US is very, very fair currently. It isn't equitable, but life will never be that way. It doesn't mean you won't have to change your thinking, move from your shitty home city/state, put in extra elbow grease, or any of those things. You can blame any particular attribute to your having to go through any action in life, but it is completely daft to associate the sum of such a complex series of interactions and experiences with 'well everything ended up this way because I am <<insert distinguishing characteristic here>>'.
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I'm going to tell a story.
When I went back into college after my time in the United States Army after learning how to rig explosives and lay mines and barbed wire (which I'm legit good at, btw. I could put together a 10 row that would stop a tank) I majored in Criminal Justice and then later Political Science as well. One of my POLS teachers goes to Mexico every other year and does charity work for some local tribe. It sounded interesting but I didn't have the money for it so the professor told me I should apply for aid. Some people get their whole trip paid for.
So I go and apply. I fill out all the paperwork at the international studies office of the school that handles all that stuff and decides who gets what money. When it comes back I go and talk to the woman in charge. She's of some dark skinned ethnicity. She tells me that I've qualified for what amounted to 15% of the total cost of the trip. When I tell her that I was hoping for more help she recommends that for my birthday and for Christmas I ask for money rather than gifts. She's 100% serious. I drove here in an ancient used car. I'm sitting here wearing a second hand shirt, pants, coat, and shoes, and her big idea is for me to ask for money rather than gifts. I don't know what the two women who also applied got but I know they went on that trip and I didn't. Guess how many white males (the majority) went, do you think? Fuck, guess how many males went in general?
My parents were so fucking poor we moved back in with grandma for 6 years of the initial part of their marriage (goddamn miracle they didn't break up) and I could only pay for school then because Uncle Sam taught me how to kill and I've got to deal with people correcting the gross injustices of the great white male patriarchy every chance they get. Because I'm privileged.
Mist
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It should just be white bias, because everyone is biased. Some biases work out positively and others negatively.
The term privilege just came about because rich people like to call their kids 'privileged' rather than 'spoiled, morally vacant sacks of shit.' And then the term just generalized to just about all white college kids, which I feel is grossly unfair, but still carries a bit of weight because a white middle class kid has a better shot at getting into a fraternity that's going to further their career than a black middle class kid is.
The real problem with 'privilege' is that this country is slipping backwards from being a meritocracy, where hard work gets you ahead. Instead, it's mostly about the political connections you make at college. While this was always true to a certain degree, it's truer now more than it has been in a long time. And with the massively rising costs to college, it's becoming a major problem.
Mist
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Let's not even get into the personal anecdotes here, because if we're going the 'my momma so poor' stories I'm sure I've got most of you beat. I remember eating the macaroni necklace we made at school because there was nothing else to fucking eat. And I grew up in public housing so moldy and decrepit that I had scars on my lungs like someone who'd been smoking for 30 years, didn't grow out of the asthma and chronic bronchitis they caused until I was in my mid 20s.
And you're right, there are a bunch of ignorant fat black ladies who think every white kid has some magical rich uncle somewhere who can pay their way if they ask all nice and needy. The problem is, that scenario doesn't happen that often, and, just by the numbers, it's twice as likely to be actually turn out to be true if you're white than if you're black.
Mist
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Part of the same "us vs. them" mentality that the other side is guilty of. That in order for one group to succeed, another has to suffer. And that just wouldn't be true if not for the fact that one tiny group is hogging all the money and political power.
Can we all just agree that democracy is in serious trouble, and once that's gone, ALL of our rights are in danger?
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TrollfaceDeux
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I wonder what this means. On paper this may make sense. If we draw it by ethnic and racial line there is no doubt that whites are hired more and earn more. That same number also suggests that yellow people are doing better than white people yet discrimination factor still applies. So if we go by Mist's analogy of a race, yellow people should have ended later and life was supposed to be much worse but each passing generation suggests otherwise. Yellow parents and children are now ahead of white people in the race and carved a respectable holding against and with white racial group.
This suggests many things but one of the most well known factor is generational improvement. Parents would invest into their children and this children in turn invests back into theirs. Money stays in yellow ethnic lines instead of going back to the white/black racial groups.
One thing that LA riot showed is the frustration Blacks felt when their money was going straight into yellow peoples pocket. They weren't wrong. It was. This money would again be invested back into their children's lives and education.
I don't know what the fuck happened to black people and I don't really give a shit. I wouldnt work for faggots that would not hire blacks or yellows in the first place. Fuck them.
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The problem I have have with feminism is the same problem I have with any ideology.
Ideologies of any kind tend to put out massive amounts of propaganda (normally to receive funding), serve to further the agenda of a specific group or key few, are riddled with hypocrisy, and blindly ignore facts counter to their way of thinking. All of these things are true of feminism.
What pisses me off even more about feminism is that it has been dumbed down to the point of obscuration so that any retarded bitch with an internet connection can repost memes about it on Facebook. Can't find a date? #iNeedFeminism. Can't get a job because you majored in art history and have exactly zero skills employers actually value? #iNeedFeminism. Dressed like a prostitute and upset that guys stared at your tits that were hanging out? #iNeedFeminism.
You want to advance your place in society? How about learning some fucking skills. Last time I checked, if you are a woman in America, you generally have access to indoor plumbing, electricity, instant communication, a surplus of food, concrete shelter, and relatively cheap transportation. All of these things were pioneered and brought to fruition by men. Did a select few women help in their creation? Of course. And they were compensated for these services at a level directly related to the value they provided. This is a basic principle of a free economy.
Then there is what I have coined the "princess effect." A recent study by the online dating website OkCupid found that women rated over 80% of men as less than average in terms of attractiveness. 80 fucking percent. This is in an age where feminists want you to believe that every woman is attractive, yet in no way should you tie her value as an individual to her physical appearance.
Media has conditioned women to believe that if a male doesn't look like Ryan Gosling, make enough income to provide her with an upper middle class lifestyle, and support a woman's decision to "follow her dreams," aka work on Pinterest projects and enjoy international travel, that he is insufficient as a mate. Get fucking real. The number of men who meet those conditions are extremely small, and the ones who do are probably out banging super models - aka following their dreams.
You want to be equal? Fine. But being equal means contributing at the same level "privileged" white men have for over 400 years. The same privileged white men who decided to leave their homes in Europe, get on a rickety wooden boat, and made a pilgrimage to an unsettled frontier. The same privileged white males whose blood, sweat, and tears created this vast empire of surplus and convenience that you take for granted every day.
You need feminism? No. What you need to do is stop and say thank you. Long live white male privilege. Long live 'MURICA.
Ideologies of any kind tend to put out massive amounts of propaganda (normally to receive funding), serve to further the agenda of a specific group or key few, are riddled with hypocrisy, and blindly ignore facts counter to their way of thinking. All of these things are true of feminism.
What pisses me off even more about feminism is that it has been dumbed down to the point of obscuration so that any retarded bitch with an internet connection can repost memes about it on Facebook. Can't find a date? #iNeedFeminism. Can't get a job because you majored in art history and have exactly zero skills employers actually value? #iNeedFeminism. Dressed like a prostitute and upset that guys stared at your tits that were hanging out? #iNeedFeminism.
You want to advance your place in society? How about learning some fucking skills. Last time I checked, if you are a woman in America, you generally have access to indoor plumbing, electricity, instant communication, a surplus of food, concrete shelter, and relatively cheap transportation. All of these things were pioneered and brought to fruition by men. Did a select few women help in their creation? Of course. And they were compensated for these services at a level directly related to the value they provided. This is a basic principle of a free economy.
Then there is what I have coined the "princess effect." A recent study by the online dating website OkCupid found that women rated over 80% of men as less than average in terms of attractiveness. 80 fucking percent. This is in an age where feminists want you to believe that every woman is attractive, yet in no way should you tie her value as an individual to her physical appearance.
Media has conditioned women to believe that if a male doesn't look like Ryan Gosling, make enough income to provide her with an upper middle class lifestyle, and support a woman's decision to "follow her dreams," aka work on Pinterest projects and enjoy international travel, that he is insufficient as a mate. Get fucking real. The number of men who meet those conditions are extremely small, and the ones who do are probably out banging super models - aka following their dreams.
You want to be equal? Fine. But being equal means contributing at the same level "privileged" white men have for over 400 years. The same privileged white men who decided to leave their homes in Europe, get on a rickety wooden boat, and made a pilgrimage to an unsettled frontier. The same privileged white males whose blood, sweat, and tears created this vast empire of surplus and convenience that you take for granted every day.
You need feminism? No. What you need to do is stop and say thank you. Long live white male privilege. Long live 'MURICA.
I mean the term "White advantage" is an accurate term and doesn't provoke defensiveness like privilege
PS trollface, when do I get to sleep with your sister?
PS trollface, when do I get to sleep with your sister?
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First thing you learn from job training for job seeker is "it's who you know" not just "what I know." This takes special kind of skills to develop.
This was why George W. Bush was so successful. He is not really a competent man by any measure, but he was a likable man who had a special ability to make connections with his rich buddies and they in turn trusted Bush deliver on what they expected of him. Those who did not have the ability were branded "nerd" or outcast. Funny thing is that this spurred new phenomenon where freaks and outcast created their own bubbles and became incredibly rich through specializing in computer software and hardware. Now, being geek or nerd isn't nearly as offensive as it once were because of cash and the new prestige. Que all the women calling themselves "nerd gurl." funny how the trend flips for woman once money is involved.
It is not as if rich white magnets hold special footing in this big circle-jerk. blacks rappers have the same system amongst themselves. Asians have their own big circle jerk association to foster more circle jerk businesses that will be held by the Asians that they know.
This isn't really a privilege as much as it is a nature of human beings to group with who you know and associate from birth to death.
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This thread overall is like Mos Eisley for stupid. I can't bear to read it all straight through.
With regards to your post, Trollface, you have hit on something that I think is key in this "discussion": It has very little to do with race and very much to do with culture and family structure. It's not privilege, which is just shorthand for shutting down opposing viewpoints and continuing the politics of grievance. Kids growing up in stable, two parent households with an emphasis on education almost always do better. This is expressed racially by the cultural focus on this aspect of life. Americans of Asian descent as well as those of Jewish descent hold strongly to this, and as you progress down through "White", Hispanic, and Black social mores you can see success fall off.
Three things more than any other hold back Black successes: The dependence culture, including government programs which incentivize single parent families and public assistance; the adoption of Southern "Celtic Fringe" behaviors as "black culture" and acceptance of those behaviors; and self-segregation and failure to integrate into the mainstream, along with a culture of grievance, including in-group/out-group cohesion mechanisms (the successful as "uncle toms", those who achieve educationally being called "oreos", gangsters, rappers and athletes as idealized role models);
One only has to look at the success of African and Caribbean immigrants who identify as "black" vs. native-born Americans of African descent to see the part that culture plays in these outcomes, and the state of racial bias in the U.S.
Mists "America as evil" is literally the most egregiously and deliberately ignorant thing I have read in a long time.
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The other problem is certain racial groups often teach exclusivity, primarily blacks and certain Asian cultures. The problem isn't that people can't have role models outside of their race, but rather that it is shoved down every little black kid's throat to be proud of black famous people simply because they are black, and at the exclusion of others. Public schools and society prioritize minority heroes. Black kids have this reinforced at home through their culture 'we gotta look after ourselves!'. It's unfortunate that because Andrew Jackson was white, no one can find worth in his character and accomplishments. So they all turn to drugged up sports stars, thugs, other famous people they identify with. Accomplished black people, like Obama or Dr. Neil DeGrasse Tyson are tossed aside as privileged or outsiders deep down when they exhibit the same traits black people associate with 'whites' - self-worth, work ethic, success. As soon as you aren't a victim, you're just 'one of them'. Again, victim-hood and racial identity over self-worth and empathy.
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