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khalid · Feb 5, 2015

Mist_sl said:
How many more pages

How many more pages are we going to have to go until you admit that you just want to ensure a woman can cry "rape" regardless of evidence and get someone lynched?

Arbitrary · Feb 5, 2015

Mist_sl said:
But as far as your average middle class+ girls go, there's no place they're more likely to be raped than on campus.

In fact it is the opposite.

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/rsavcaf9513.pdf

Mist · Feb 5, 2015

khalid_sl said:
I simply will not buy into your premise now that accurately reporting statistics might make the problem worse.

While you may find the "acceptable levels of rape" statement silly, the fact is that we as a society have decided that it is better to make the justice system as neutral as possible. This leads to many criminals getting away with their crimes. This means that yes, as a society, we have decided that there are acceptable levels of murder, assault, robbery, etc. This is counterbalanced by making people feel like they won't be arrested and convicted unfairly.

This is the global warming problem all over again. Do you accurately state the dangers of global warming, knowing that people are ignorant and the dangerous will be ignored until it's too late and humanity is doomed? Or do you report the dangers in an alarmist manner and give humanity some change of survival?

These are not supposed to be easy questions to answer, but I feel like you guys don't give a shit because you feel they don't affect you.

Mist · Feb 5, 2015

Arbitrary_sl said:
In fact it is the opposite.

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/rsavcaf9513.pdf

Complete reading comprehension failure.

khalid · Feb 5, 2015

Mist_sl said:
These are not supposed to be easy questions to answer, but I feel like you guys don't give a shit because you feel they don't affect you.

I feel like you don't take the problem of false rape accusations seriously because they don't affect you.

Mist · Feb 5, 2015

khalid_sl said:
I feel like you don't take the problem of false rape accusations seriously because they don't affect you.

Or because it happenswayless than actual rapes.

If you're saying there's an acceptable level of RAPE, then what is the acceptable level of false accusation of rape?

If 1 in 25 men were falsely being accused of rape, I would certainly have a fucking problem with it.

Lithose · Feb 5, 2015

Mist_sl said:
Rapes happen. Whether it's 1 in 5 or 1 in 25, how ridiculous does 'an acceptable amount of rape' sound? Neither of those figures are acceptable to me. And then add to that the fact that victim has a very strong chance of not even having a CHANCE at justice and it makes the statistic look even worse.

Oh, so now it's ANY rapes? I thought it was.

A significant number of women stillfeel, despite the fact that rape incidents are down, that the system itself is stacked against themif the do get raped.A significant number of parentsthinktheir children are being sent into unsafe environments on college campuses.

This is the problem arguing with you Mist, you're not half as subtle as you think you are--but you keep trying. You asked us what to do about what women were fearing, not the women who were raped. And then you try and scurry up to the moral high ground and say WARBAGABLE how ridiculous it is to say acceptable rape!

Denaut · Feb 5, 2015

Leadsalad_sl said:
"Use the feels Denaut."

Finally found a fucking stat for number of times per year for sex in that age range. The stat wasn't broken down by age and country, just age, but the peak of sex frequency is actually in that age range so we can assume that at its lowest the rate of sex for that age range will be at least the overall average of 132 times per year.

I found another source that puts the number of university undergrads enrolled in, 2012 at 19 million. So... that puts total sex acts at around 2,508,000,000. Now here is the important bit, theNCVSputs the campus rape rate at 3.1 per 1000, or about 8x higher than the overall rate. This is expected since rates are far higher among young women of prime child bearing age (rape is about sex after all).

But, even with that significantly higher rate, we can estimate that only about0.0023%of campus sex acts are non-consensual.

Of course it would be nice if that number were some number even closer to zero, or 0 itself. But it is extremely likely that the overwhelmingly vast majority of dorm room hanky panky is consensual.

Arbitrary · Feb 5, 2015

Mist_sl said:
Complete reading comprehension failure.

Then your claim is so weak as to be of no value. There's always going to be a "most" location/area. You know you are most likely to get into an accident within a 15 mile radius of your house? Yeah, turns out you spend most of your time in a 15 mile radius of your house.

Stunning.

Mist · Feb 5, 2015

Lithose_sl said:
Oh, so now it's ANY rapes? I thought it was.

A significant number of women stillfeel, despite the fact that rape incidents are down, that the system itself is stacked against themif the do get raped.A significant number of parentsthinktheir children are being sent into unsafe environments on college campuses.

This is the problem arguing with you Mist, you're not half as subtle as you think you are--but you keep trying. You asked us what to do about what women were fearing, not the women who were raped. And then you try and scurry up to the moral high ground and say WARBAGABLE how ridiculous it is to say acceptable rape!

What's an acceptable risk to be afraid of? Are you trying to say 4% chance and a 20% chance really makes an order of magnitude difference in whether you should be afraid or not?

And even greater than the fear of rape is the fear that your rape won't be treated seriously.

fanaskin · Feb 5, 2015

Mist_sl said:
And even greater than the fear of rape is the fear that your rape won't be treated seriously.

what's funny about that sentence is rape against men is literally a kosher joke everywhere in america even in childrens movies and television (don't drop the soap!) even when men get raped more than woman in america nobody cares AT ALL about innocent men though so who gives a fuck.

Lithose · Feb 5, 2015

Mist_sl said:
How many more pages of apologism for rapists do we need to go through before you all admit you're fucking scumbags, or so afraid of being falsely labeled a scumbag that you're willing to provide cover for them?

How many more pages of aplogism for deluded narcissists are we going to see before you admit you are a deluded cunt with anger issues looking to make others as scared and miserable as you are, or are so afraid of the taking advantage of life that you're willing to try and make other people feel bad about doing so.

Is that how this form of trolling works, Mist? I have to say...I found it a little exciting! But then I realized I wasn't losing an argument in grade school anymore and using hyperbole is dumb

. So, sorry for saying mean things to you in order to make a point with sensationalism over logic.

Gavinmad · Feb 5, 2015

Mist_sl said:
And even greater than the fear of rape is the fear that your rape won't be treated seriously.

Can't really do anything about women who fear stupid and ridiculous things.

Mist · Feb 5, 2015

fanaskin_sl said:
what's funny about that sentence is rape against men is literally a kosher joke everywhere in america (don't drop the soap!) even when men get raped more than woman in america

I'm not comfortable with this either. Our prison system is completely and totally inhumane. Our level of incarceration is a disgrace to the country.

khalid · Feb 5, 2015

Mist_sl said:
Or because it happenswayless than actual rapes.

If you're saying there's an acceptable level of RAPE, then what is the acceptable level of false accusation of rape?

These things involve trade-offs. It is a hard problem. Right now the system on college campuses, is if anything, biased towards the accusers of rape.

For my own "selfish" interest, I want a system where if I am accused of rape or assault, that there better damn well be evidence or I should get off scott free. This isn't because I want to "get away with rape" or "defend rapists", it is because I never plan on raping anyone. On the other hand, I interact quite often with female students, often in my office with no one else present. Sometimes these meetings are quite bad for the student, as she is informed that I caught her cheating or that she is about to fail. I don't want my whole life to be destroyed based on a student being pissed that they failed my class and carrying out a grudge through a judicial system that believes the accuser by default.

Denaut · Feb 5, 2015

Mist_sl said:
Complete reading comprehension failure.

The rate of rape and sexual assault was 1.2 times higher for nonstudents than for students.

fanaskin · Feb 5, 2015

is there a lot of variation in the legal system regarding conviction of rape sentencing ? or is it fairly uniform?

Lithose · Feb 5, 2015

Mist_sl said:
What's an acceptable risk to be afraid of? Are you trying to say 4% chance and a 20% chance really makes an order of magnitude difference in whether you should be afraid or not?

And even greater than the fear of rape is the fear that your rape won't be treated seriously.

Rape is a very serious crime, and it's treated seriously. In fact it's the most serious crime except murder. Entire police task forces are dedicated to JUST rape. We have millions of dollars in programs teaching people who bad sexual aggressiveness is. How do we get more serious without giving power to potential irrational people who are suffering from emotional trauma, Mist?

Mist · Feb 5, 2015

khalid_sl said:
These things involve trade-offs. It is a hard problem. Right now the system on college campuses, is if anything, biased towards the accusers of rape.

For my own "selfish" interest, I want a system where if I am accused of rape or assault, that there better damn well be evidence or I should get off scott free. This isn't because I want to "get away with rape" or "defend rapists", it is because I never plan on raping anyone. On the other hand, I interact quite often with female students, often in my office with no one else present. Sometimes these meetings are quite bad for the student, as she is informed that I caught her cheating or that she is about to fail. I don't want my whole life to be destroyed based on a student being pissed that they failed my class and carrying out a grudge through a judicial system that believes the accuser by default.

So you admit that your standpoint is based on an irrational fear of something that isstatistically even less likelyto happen than a girl getting raped? Because rapes still outnumber false rape accusations by a HUGE margin.

My point is that rapes are still so high that fear of rape is not an irrational fear. Especially when you think about parents, who have all sorts of irrational fears about their children, rape outranks dozens of them on the list of things that might actually happen.

Arbitrary · Feb 5, 2015

Gavinmad_sl said:
Can't really do anything about women who fear stupid and ridiculous things.

Obtain a concealed carry permit (if required in your state), get some training, and if someone tries to stick something of theirs inside something of yours without your blessing shoot them until they reconsider.

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