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Mist · May 18, 2015

Okay, so she's married, didn't explicitly say no, didn't try to fight back, and was clearly conscious.

That's a far more overly broad definition of rape than anything I have ever presented. I label you as dangerous.

Mario Speedwagon · May 18, 2015

Let the misting begin

Mist · May 18, 2015

Mist pushed a lawn mower for 7 hours today. Mist is going to fucking sleep.

Lithose · May 18, 2015

Mist_sl said:
Okay, so she's married, didn't explicitly say no, didn't try to fight back, and was clearly conscious.

That's a far more overly broad definition of rape than anything I have ever presented. I label you as dangerous.

My standard has always been reasonable details. For me, explicitly saying no is crying, and having to be held down (Even if you aren't overtly struggling beyond trying to rise.) No doesn't have to be verbal. I don't think anyone in this thread said that, did they?

Seananigans · May 18, 2015

Fucking goddamn GoT spoilers in my Butthurt thread? You fucksticks.

And/or the fucktard mod who moved it into here from the GoT thread I specifically avoid.

Fuck you all.

Agraza · May 18, 2015

Yea, send them both to the wall for spoilers. Harsh, but fair.

Lithose · May 18, 2015

Sorry about that, I thought I made the entire post without using specific names. But I let two specific names slip in there. Removed them though, the posts should just be generic circumstances.

Lejina · May 18, 2015

You must have known that at some point someone who didn't know what this is about would ask wtf you two were talking about. Take it to tells if you want to have a personal conversation.

Adebisi · May 18, 2015

Thread's full of Spoiler rape!!

Cad · May 18, 2015

Lithose_sl said:
Dude, Mist if I had a tape of something like that? Yes, rape, easily rape. That's never been in question for me. I mean, there might be some extenuating circumstances in some cases with crying, held down women--like if there is some kinky rape RP going on; but if you're into that shit you actually better have some kind of contract with the woman first. But yeah, if that was a video and she claimed she was raped? For me that would be open and shut as rape. Married or not.

He'd either get the Wall or the Knife. Twig and Berries though.

I'd call what he did rape too, since we know the circumstances explicitly and we know exactly what went down. She didn't resist because of politics and fear, not because she wanted it. Ergo, to me, thats rape.

But to Mist's point, if she came to us afterwards and said "he raped me because he was too rough and I didn't really like him, and he made Theon watch." With nothing other than her word we'd have to assume the sex was consensual and she regretted it. There'd simply be no proof. Doesn't mean it wasn't rape, just means you can't prove rape. Which I think is a nuance that Mist hasn't grasped in the 300+ pages of this thread.

Mist · May 18, 2015

Board full of rape apologists.

Uncomfortable, unpleasant, coerced sex happens to a FICTIONAL character they don't even really like that much.

OMG RAPE.

Can't explain that.

Agraza · May 18, 2015

Not rape. She didn't want it to happen like that, but she knew that was part of what she was walking into and did so with weeks of foreknowledge.

Mist · May 18, 2015

Agraza_sl said:
Not rape. She didn't want it to happen like that, but she knew that was part of what she was walking into and did so with weeks of foreknowledge.

Exactly. But it was fun watching Lithose flip out and turn into an ultra defensive hypocrite.

Cad · May 18, 2015

Mist_sl said:
Exactly. But it was fun watching Lithose flip out and turn into an ultra defensive hypocrite.

Whatever Mist, he was being fair and putting the events of the show in 2015 context, where women are not political pawns that have to submit that way to get what they want. If it was a normal husband and wife and that happened, I think everyone would agree with him. In the GoT context, thats just what happens to women, she did marry him and knew what was coming, but it was still unwelcome. Had Tyrion attempted it it would have been the same thing, which is why Tyrion did NOT do it.

But continue on acting like you've made some grand point.

Lithose · May 18, 2015

Agraza_sl said:
Not rape. She didn't want it to happen like that, but she knew that was part of what she was walking into and did so with weeks of foreknowledge.

I've said it was by today's standards.

(Here)

Lithose_sl said:
But lets go over. Since I got to watch it--I can say, from a reasonable perspective of our modern society, it was rape.

Mist_sl said:
Exactly. But it was fun watching Lithose flip out and turn into an ultra defensive hypocrite.

Mist, my parameters have always been the same. You're the one who got so excited you might have something to allow you to save some face after being repeatedly embaressed and ashamed of your positions in this thread that you jumped on it. But even in this thread, you realized the positions were not the same.

Seeing a physical act and classifying it? Is not the same as proving it in the court of law with no witnesses or evidence. You can try to salvage some dignity from this at my expense, in your own mind. I'll allow it without further embarrassing you because I feel bad for you.

Mist · May 18, 2015

Lithose_sl said:
I've said it was by today's standards.

Mist, my parameters have always been the same. You're the one who got so excited you might have something to allow you to save some face after being repeatedly embaressed and ashamed of your positions in this thread that you jumped on it. But even in this thread, you realized the positions were not the same.

Seeing a physical act and classifying it? Is not the same as proving it in the court of law with no witnesses or evidence. You can try to salvage some dignity from this at my expense, in your own mind. I'll allow it without further embarrassing you because I feel bad for you.

It doesn't meet the slimmest definition of rape even by anymodernstandards. Girls/women get put into bad situations like that ALL THE TIME in real life today, and no one considers it rape and no one cares, no one investigates, they don't even bother to report it to anyone, just blame themselves.

Yet you two label it rape just because a bad thing happened to a pretty white girl in a fictional story. Way to go, future white knights.

Cad · May 18, 2015

Obvious troll is obvious Mist. For 300 pages you've said if you sex up a girl who is intoxicated its rape. But holding down a crying girl while she screams not rape?

Lithose · May 18, 2015

Cad_sl said:
Whatever Mist, he was being fair and putting the events of the show in 2015 context, where women are not political pawns that have to submit that way to get what they want. If it was a normal husband and wife and that happened, I think everyone would agree with him. In the GoT context, thats just what happens to women, she did marry him and knew what was coming, but it was still unwelcome. Had Tyrion attempted it it would have been the same thing, which is why Tyrion did NOT do it.

But continue on acting like you've made some grand point.

Mist is just extra angry because she's realizing all the men in this thread aren't monster frat boys--and actually wouldn't harm a woman, and find rape revolting. She's probably extremely confused now why we wouldn't simply toss due process and join her holy crusade to stomp out rape. A Zealot would call the stance hypocritical because a zealot doesn't see every other variable between not liking something--->destroying it. That is her main problem now.

Cad_sl said:
But to Mist's point, if she came to us afterwards and said "he raped me because he was too rough and I didn't really like him, and he made Theon watch." With nothing other than her word we'd have to assume the sex was consensual and she regretted it. There'd simply be no proof. Doesn't mean it wasn't rape, just means you can't prove rape. Which I think is a nuance that Mist hasn't grasped in the 300+ pages of this thread.

Also, this, exactly. Understanding rapes like this will go unpunished because humans aren't omniscient? And classifying that as a rape, is just not the same thing. It was a silly thing to pounce on, but I suppose she couldn't help herself.

Cad · May 18, 2015

Lithose_sl said:
Mist is just extra angry because she's realizing all the men in this thread aren't monster frat boys--and actually wouldn't harm a woman, and find rape revolting. She's probably extremely confused now why we wouldn't simply toss due process and join her holy crusade to stomp out rape. A Zealot would call the stance hypocritical because a zealot doesn't see every other variable between not liking something--->destroying it. That is her main problem now.

Maybe, but I'm going with just trolling. Occam's razor and all.

Mist · May 18, 2015

Lithose_sl said:
Mist is just extra angry because she's realizing all the men in this thread aren't monster frat boys--and actually wouldn't harm a woman, and find rape revolting. She's probably extremely confused now why we wouldn't simply toss due process and join her holy crusade to stomp out rape. A Zealot would call the stance hypocritical because a zealot doesn't see every other variable between not liking something--->destroying it. That is her main problem now.

No, I'm angry because of how it's all suddenly so different when it happens to a fictional character you're attached to, but how you don't give a shit that way worse than this happens all the time in real life and no one cares, and you guys come up with ways to apologize for the fact that the legal system can't do anything about it.

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