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Lejina

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Where did I say anything about false rape claims?

With any crime an accused is considered innocent until proven otherwise. Rape is a clear outlier where accusations of such kind generally result with social and professional repercussions for the accused. Regarding the criminal code, women are asked to prove their claim of rape the same as any other crime, but for the accused, they often suffer consequences from the accusation regardless if proof are provided.

How is that rigged against women?
Can you think of any other crime where a man can point at someone and ruin their life so easily just with their word? I can't.

Again, not saying anything about false rape claim. I'm talking whether or not the system is rigged against women, and from what I can tell it certainly isn't. Also, you didn't answer my original question.
 
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How is being the complaining witness in a rape trial any worse than being the complaining witness in any other crime? Aside from murder I guess, where the complaining witness kinda chills out and relaxes.
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Well, and there's the problem. Rape is a crime considered nearly as serious as murder, yet a live witness is considered with more suspicion than a dead body.

Every single time there's a murder trial, do they drag the victim's personal life through the ringer in a public circus trying to blame them for lying about being dead?
 
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Uh, yes. Not the dead guy obviously, but the witnesses.

Meanwhile there are laws in place forbidding exactly that during rape related trials.
 
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Mist_sl said:
Every single time there's a murder trial, do they drag the victim's personal life through the ringer in a public circus trying to blame them for lying about being dead?
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Actually, they very often do try and bring in as much history as they can about the dead person, if it regards his actions that might have led to his death. Look at the history of Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown for example.
 
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Lejina_sl said:
Rape is a clear outlier where accusations of such kind generally result with social and professional repercussions for the accused.
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They also carry serious social repercussions for theaccuserso this should sorta cancel itself out.
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Can you think of any other crime where a man can point at someone and ruin their life so easily just with their word?
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Can you think of any other crime where the accuser's personal life is dragged through the mud?

Obviously the system is very very unfair to both the accused and the accuser, and this is why you see such low reporting rates for real rapes. Women are still counselled that if they want to report a real rape, they will hurt the reputations of both themselves and the accused. This is unconscionable in my opinion.

But a not-really-a-rape happens to a fiction character and everyone gets all butthurt? That's my problem.
 
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Mist_sl said:
Can you think of any other crime where the accuser's personal life is dragged through the mud?
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Ever heard of rape victim shield laws?

Rape basically the only crime where there are laws against attacking the victims character.
 
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Sure is foggy in this thread, almost as if someone or something was emitting a vast quantity of vaporized water or something.

There must be some kind of word for it but it's eluding me.
 
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So her 'cognitive dissonance' is her actually blaming us for something a bunch of crazies on twitter said. Crazies who would be more than happy to entertain her shoot first, ask questions later attitude towards rape.
 
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Mist_sl said:
Every single time there's a murder trial, do they drag the victim's personal life through the ringer in a public circus trying to blame them for lying about being dead?
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So her 'cognitive dissonance' is her actually blaming us for something a bunch of crazies on twitter said. Crazies who would be more than happy to entertain her shoot first, ask questions later attitude towards rape.
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I'm talking about Lithose getting super defensive and hypocritical mostly, starting in the GoT thread.

Cad didn't help either.
 
Lithose

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I'm talking about Lithose getting super defensive and hypocritical mostly, starting in the GoT thread.

Cad didn't help either.
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Show me where I was hypocritical?

Edit" or defensive for that matter? Because I said "supporting yes means yes" was retarded? And regarding that as rape does not mean you support yes means yes? I'm not sure if you realize this, Mist. But hypocrisy means you run counter to your standard views. Show me where I've countered any of the views I've expressed in this thread, at all--even a little.
 
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Mist_sl said:
Well, and there's the problem. Rape is a crime considered nearly as serious as murder, yet a live witness is considered with more suspicion than a dead body.

Every single time there's a murder trial, do they drag the victim's personal life through the ringer in a public circus trying to blame them for lying about being dead?
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Uhh I'm sorry did you not watch the Trayvon trial?

And the OJ trial, basically we found out Nicole was a harlot.

I've seen it in plenty of trials, but I know you wouldn't have seen them. The only trials that get televised these days that you might have seen are these race-baiting show trials.
 
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Show me where I was hypocritical?

Edit" or defensive for that matter? Because I said "supporting yes means yes" was retarded? And regarding that as rape does not mean you support yes means yes? I'm not sure if you realize this, Mist. But hypocrisy means you run counter to your standard views. Show me where I've countered any of the views I've expressed in this thread, at all--even a little.
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You called it a rape, I said that even with video evidence it would be extremely difficult to pin rape charges on Ramsay even in modern day America, without the standard of "Yes means Yes".

You still insisted it was a rape because "reasons."
 
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It would be difficult to pin rape on him because it wasnt rape. She was there of her own free will. She did not say no. She did not try to stop it. Not rape.
 
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If that was rape, then every time a woman was bedded on her wedding night it was also rape. Tommen raped Margery. Ned raped Catelyn. Bronn raped Lollys etc. These men & women were betrothed, and marriage had a singular purpose in the cultural context and eyes of the law.

Whether or not Ramsay made love to her tenderly is irrelevant, and if anyone is guilty of rape, it's Baelish.
 
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If that was rape, then every time a woman was bedded on her wedding night it was also rape. Tommen raped Margery. Ned raped Catelyn. Bronn raped Lollys etc. These men & women were betrothed, and marriage had a singular purpose in the cultural context.

Whether or not Ramsay made love to her tenderly is irrelevant, and if anyone is guilty of rape, it's Baelish.
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If that was a rape, any time any woman (or a man even) is coerced or intimidated into sex she finds unpleasant is a rape. That's probably like 10-20% of all sex, or more depending on your definition of coerced.
 
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