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Butthurt white guys, an Asian virgin and an angry lesbian walk into a bar...
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Guest, it's time once again for the massively important and exciting FoH Asshat Tournament!
Go here and give us your nominations!Who's been the biggest Asshat in the last year? Give us your worst ones!
Mist
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Every single girl I knew growing up ended up in some kind of situation worse than Sansa was in (well minus the creepy Theon in the corner part) at some point and didn't report it as rape because they'd just be treated as a liar. Girls just write it off as "I put myself in a bad position" and move on because there's nothing they can do about it. Only the insane ones willingly invite the circus upon themselves.
Either you care about bad things happening enough to thinksomething needs to change, or you don't really care.
khalid
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As far as this being rape or not rape, it is dodgy because of the world they are in. She would claim she wasn't raped if asked, but by any modern definition it was clearly forced sex.
Regardless, Mist trying to force this thing into showing how we are all rape apologists is so absurd it boggles the mind. Show me any single person that debated on this subject that advocated it wasn't rape if you held a woman down and had sex with her while she cries and sobs. It didn't happen.
Regardless, Mist trying to force this thing into showing how we are all rape apologists is so absurd it boggles the mind. Show me any single person that debated on this subject that advocated it wasn't rape if you held a woman down and had sex with her while she cries and sobs. It didn't happen.
khalid
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What a silly false dichotomy. You can be against bad shit happening but also realize that in a legal system, you need some standard of proof and not just a "well, she said it happened, so off with his head!".
Cad
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Obviously men should stop raping! Nobody would disagree with that. Also women should fight, at least enough to make it obvious that something forcible happened. It's a proof problem, Mist. Nobody said rape is ok. But when there's no PROOF of rape, what the fuck are you saying should change?
And off we go in this circle again where you won't answer, you just say "OMG BAD THINGS HAPPEN AND YOU GUYS DONT CARE!" even though objectively we do care.
Why do I bother.
Agraza
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Don't quote me bro. I know how you laid it out. I think the rape accusation is dubious regardless, but I agree that norms have shifted.
Just that, if that's rape by modern standards, I've come pretty close with a few hatefucks. None of that crying laying motionless nonsense mind you. Crying would probably cause me to lose my wood. definitely? unsure... In any case I have paid attention to some of those "non-verbal cues" and pressed on to be left with a very happy lady. It happens. Not all women are the same. Some are much crazier than normal. I have without a doubt been in a situation where if a woman claimed I raped her, she had the physical evidence to prove it. None of them claimed I raped them though. They just have their preferences.
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It isn't different though, that is what everyone is trying to tell you (It's why everyone else sees my position fairly clearly.) The reason I classified this was becauseI could see it, I had incontrovertible proof of the event. Not because my views have changed. They haven't, at all. I'd feel the same way if I had video evidence of any woman, or even man who was in that position and crying while being held down. The key here isvideo evidence. Wanting evidence before you condemn someone is not the same thing as not caring about rape. As Khal said, it's a juvenile false dichotomy (Help me with X or you don't care about me at all! It's something I'd expect out of my kids.)
Sorry to spoil this monstrous image you have clung to about us, Mist. But it is how it is. The quality of knowing her or caring about her had nothing to do with it. It was the quality of the evidence. Which is what most, if not all this thread has been about. But you go on and rail against that if it makes you feel better. I'm just clarifying here.
A woman says "This man raped me". The man says "I did not rape this woman". You assholes say "This woman could be telling the truth, or lying. Lets gather evidence."
Ahh reality. So easy.
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Rape and/or domination is typically the #1 sexual fantasy for women, so it isn't surprising that such a repressed person would want to drone on and on about such topics.
It's a lot like the bible-thumping politicians who make all sorts of derogatory remarks toward homosexuals and are later found getting pegged by a twink in a truck stop.
Mist
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Mist
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Attitudes, mostly. It's fucking ridiculous how butthurt people get about a fictional character who very clearly consented according to the norms of her society when she accepted the marriage vows.
And yet real girls get taken advantage of in way worse situations every day and people shrug it off as "eh what're you gonna do about it."
You might think I have a silly false dichotomy here but I think you guys have an absurd level of cognitive dissonance.
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Well right now whenever a woman cries rape, whoever it is directed to is considered guilty of the crime by the population at large before any proceedings are started.
Are you asking for the guy to be lynched on the spot or are you asking for a more measured approach where an individual is considered innocent until proven guilty, like with every other crimes?
Are you asking for the guy to be lynched on the spot or are you asking for a more measured approach where an individual is considered innocent until proven guilty, like with every other crimes?
Mist
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As I've tried to explainover and over and over and over and overagain, the reason that all you see is false rape claims in the media is because rational women realize that the system is so utterly rigged against them, only insane crazy bitches actually go to the police and they're generally lying. When you create a system where real victims are marginalized, all you end up seeing is the fake victims.
Cad
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How is being the complaining witness in a rape trial any worse than being the complaining witness in any other crime? Aside from murder I guess, where the complaining witness kinda chills out and relaxes.