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Big Phoenix

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My guess is the situation isn't that black and white. I'm not convinced the guy did anything wrong (legally speaking), but likely there was a bad interaction between them and she thought she would get back at him by doing a spiteful art project targeting him. And then it blew up in popularity and she felt like it hit the point of no return and she had to run with it. And then she sensationalized it to make a name for herself. I mean, she wants to be an artist and artists need recognition to sell their work. Shitty on her part, but I understand how it could happen and how it then spun out of control.

But Columbia is really the bad guy here. They wronged the shit out of the guy and deserve a fat judgement against them.

They allowed her to harass the shit out of him even after he was cleared of wrongdoing BY THEM. They approved of her mattress project (which targeted him specifically for harassment, unapologetically), they displayed her other art pieces for public viewing which took personal shots at him, they allowed her to drag her mattress across the graduation stage after specifically disallowing it by their own rules. There's probably more I'm missing.

They institutionally failed to protect their own student from a harassment campaign and at least passively approved of it. Pay up, you hypocritical fuckers.
So she made it all up is what youre saying?
 

Tanoomba

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Citation needed.
Well, there aren't really studies about how rape victims behave towards their rapists (although there are some that go into why rape victims don't report being raped right away). However,here's an articlethat explains why rape victims can in some cases not only remain friendly but even remain in a relationship with their rapist. Being raped is not having your car broken into. Some victims, given the opportunity to do so, will continue to act "normal" rather than force themselves to admit, even to themselves, what they have just been through. That article (and the many following comments) could certainly be considered anecdotal, but they absolutely illustrate both that some rape victims remain on friendly terms with their rapists and why.Here's another.I have zero doubt many of you don't "approve" of this reaction to being raped, but that means fuck all. It happens.

Heck, take a look atthe texts between Sulkowicz and Nungesser, including Sulkowicz's own explanation of the context. She didn't realize she had been raped at first, she was in shock and didn't know how to handle it when it became apparent that's what had happened, she initially wanted to talk to him about the incident under the mistaken assumption it would help her feel better (and was using a friendly tone so as not to sound intimidating). They BOTH continue to avoid actually seeing each other, the only times they do being awkward and stilted interactions. They communicate less but are still part of some group together, and she becomes increasingly uncomfortable with behaving like nothing had happened. They continue to talk about meeting up but seem to actively go out of their way to avoid each other. After a few polite, work-related texts, she cuts off contact completely. 3 months later it's Nangussen texting Sulkowicz about how much he misses her, then another text reaching out to her a month later, neither of which she responds to. This isa far cryfrom "She hounded him for weeks if not months to get back together".
 

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Tanoomba

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I'm not sure they don't go around telling everyone. I do/did know dozens of art students though having gone to performing art schools and friends that went to art colleges. How about you?

Also here is a link that includes the brief filed which has what was said.


The Text Of The Mattress Girl Lawsuit Will Shock You | The Daily Caller
Well, my first degree is from an art school. Turns out students do highly personal projects all the time. I remember one student made a video about her own body issues. It opened with a shot of her undressing and getting into a bathtub, then turned into a stop-motion animation where a picture of her body (with a rabbit head superimposed over her face) walked around and encountered Barbies and stuff. I'm sure you would see this as evidence she is a sex-crazed exhibitionist who is so desperate to fuck she was showcasing her body to hundreds of strangers, right?

I've seen that article, it doesn't prove anything. How close they were before the alleged rape means nothing. FFS, there isn't even any sign Nangussen was shunning her at all after the fact. He was as open and friendly to her as she was to him "donde estas tu i ma viva? see I'm so desperate without you, I even try to speak spanish". He was also the one who continued trying to contact her after she stopped contacting him. And the "fuck me in the butt" comment, within context, was VERY likely a joke (the same way you might say "Fuck me!" when something bad happens). You can't just pick and choose what to ignore and what to highlight just to support your pre-decided conclusions, dude.
 

Chanur

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You can't just pick and choose what to ignore and what to highlight just to support your pre-decided conclusions, dude.
This is rich coming from you. Also I did not pick and choose you did. I posted a link to the brief you posted some cherry picked websites.
 

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Well, my first degree is from an art school. Turns out students do highly personal projects all the time. I remember one student made a video about her own body issues. It opened with a shot of her undressing and getting into a bathtub, then turned into a stop-motion animation where a picture of her body (with a rabbit head superimposed over her face) walked around and encountered Barbies and stuff. I'm sure you would see this as evidence she is a sex-crazed exhibitionist who is so desperate to fuck she was showcasing her body to hundreds of strangers, right?
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I can't stop laughing at this.
 

Chanur

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Yeah she didn't "realize" it until she realized he didn't want to be a couple.
 

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After reading a bunch of stuff about this case, it really seems like mediation was the right path and it was never offered. The university even suggested the two of them talk it out, but didn't provide them with a mediation option (at least not that I saw). Why not start the non-law enforcement cases with mediation? Have each of them give their side to the mediator, and let the mediator discuss it with them (separately, then together if agreeable) and see if a resolution can be reached. Talking it out and apologizing without some phony tribunal hanging over their heads would probably resolve many of these situations.

Kangaroo court is unnecessarily creating a winner and loser in a situation where that isn't a good resolution. You're supposed to learn in college; give them an opportunity to learn about how they handle sexual encounters and perhaps they will get better at it.
 

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I'm sure you would see this as evidence she is a sex-crazed exhibitionist who is so desperate to fuck she was showcasing her body to hundreds of strangers, right?
Nah, I just see evidence that she'll be serving me coffee in the future.
 

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I'm sure you would see this as evidence she is a sex-crazed exhibitionist who is so desperate to fuck she was showcasing her body to hundreds of strangers, right?
Not that there's anything wrong with that
 

Tanoomba

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This is rich coming from you. Also I did not pick and choose you did. I posted a link to the brief you posted some cherry picked websites.
You made a grandiose and objectively false claim about how rape victims react to being raped. I showed you evidence of this. Unless you have anything else to add, take being wrong like a man.




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I'm gonna have to agree with Cad.
You act as though people not actually understanding what constitutes rape is a rare thing. In fact, it's very common. I would think you of all people would know this.




Edit: Props to Haast for being reasonable.