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Tanoomba

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Soooo.... just not going to answer the question, faggot?

We're not talking about a grope in the hallway. We're talking about choking and forced sodomy. How is that in any way inconclusive, in her mind?
Because it came from someone she trusted and was very close to. Because one often doesn't behave rationally after an emotionally traumatizing experience. Because she might have initially thought she was somehow responsible or should have acted differently.

Again, you seem to be stuck on equating being raped with having your car broken into. As much as you'd like to believe it's that simple, it isn't.




Bisi: Rape is sex without consent.
 

Chanur

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I thought I had copied it as I read it. Guess I made a mistake.






It's a lot more evidence than Chanur's feels-based assessment that Sulkowicz was not acting like a rape victim, you tool.
There was no feels based evidence you fucking clown. There was no evidence period. Just two people's perspectives on it , one of which has already been found to be lying (hint its not Nungesser). Things like this come down to character and Emma is whole truck loads of crazy.
 

Cad

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Because it came from someone she trusted and was very close to. Because one often doesn't behave rationally after an emotionally traumatizing experience. Because she might have initially thought she was somehow responsible or should have acted differently.

Again, you seem to be stuck on equating being raped with having your car broken into. As much as you'd like to believe it's that simple, it isn't.




Bisi: Rape is sex without consent.
I guess I have never in my life been emotionally traumatized such that I'd be confused about choking and sodomy.

Sorry, I just don't buy it.

Besides, your narrative doesn't fit the facts. They were not even "boyfriend and girlfriend". They were casually seeing each other and hooking up. She had to message him on facebook to talk to him. Her messages afterwards sure didn't suggest some culpability. She could have said, "sorry for my behavior that caused you to choke and rape me, I know thats not your fault. I'm down for more later." But she messaged like NOTHING happened.

Obvious conclusion? NOTHING HAPPENED.
 

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It isn't just about choking and sodomy. It is that the situation would be so ambiguous that she would be confused by it until much later, then suddenly become so traumatized when she realized it was rape that she had to stalk him and turn it into the defining moment of her life.
 

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Bisi: Rape is sex without consent.
So after being choked and sodomized without consent, it still took her weeks to figure this out. What do you define consent as? If she doesn't say no or try to pull away, but has not explicitly said "You may put your penis in my asshole and choke me like a whore", is she being raped?
 

Cad

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So after being choked and sodomized without consent, it still took her weeks to figure this out. What do you define consent as? If she doesn't say no or try to pull away, but has not explicitly said "You may put your penis in my asshole and choke me like a whore", is she being raped?
And by weeks, you mean EIGHT MONTHS.

August 2012 - The "assault".
April 2013 - The first complaint with the university.
 

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Check again.Here are multiple rape victims who behaved exactly like Sulkowicz did. Therefore, your claim that was not behaving like a rape victim was false. It really is that simple.

If you think the video she made is your "Gotcha!", you're an idiot. For fuck's sake, your reaction to her project is PART OF HER PROJECT. She knew damned well that people would try to use that against her and counted on it. By claiming she made a "porn" video, you're forcing her into the role of someone having sex for your pleasure (that's what "porn" is), and you're forcing her into that role against her will, so according to her you're metaphorically "raping" her. You may not understand or care about the message behind her piece, but it is in no way, shape, or form evidence that she was making false rape accusations and it'sREALLLLLLLYstretching for you to try to see it that way.
Did you just link to personal blogs as proof of your point?

Jesus fuck.
 

Abefroman

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So Tanoomba, do you ask your wife permission every time you switch sexual positions? Do you ask permission before you even initiate?
 

Cad

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Did you just link to personal blogs as proof of your point?

Jesus fuck.
Not just that, but the first blog reads like this:

Let's use the example of Stacy and Tom, fictional characters. If Stacy and Tom go on a date and everything is going well and then at the end of the night, they end up in Tom's apartment; at that point Tom rapes Stacy. After he is done, he drops off Stacy at her house, kisses her goodnight. The next day, Tom gives Stacy a call and asks her out on another date.

Although there are a couple of factors in play in the above example, if Stacy has not identified what happened as rape yet, what other behavior tells her that what Tom did is not normal?
Lol. First, why does Stacy not call the cops the instant she gets to her phone? Second, why would Stacy allow herself to be driven home by her rapist and "kissed goodnight" after a rape? It just says "if Stacy has not identified what happened as rape" ... WHY THE FUCK WOULD SHE NOT KNOW? Unless it's regret rape, and she just hasn't decided she regrets it yet. Lastly... what other behavior tells her that what Tom did is not normal? HOW ABOUT MOTHERFUCKING RAPE? What the fuck.

This is some stupid ass shit. If this is representative of Tanoomba's "sources", we can just stop this shit right now.
 

Soygen

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And by weeks, you mean EIGHT MONTHS.

August 2012 - The "assault".
April 2013 - The first complaint with the university.
Regret gestation period can vary from 24 hours to 5 years.
 

Skanda

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Woman realizing she just got raped

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Mist

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These people make a mockery of the victims of actual rape.

Rape should be defined as: Using force/violence, threat of force/violence, threat of drastic social repercussions (loss of job, blackmail, abuse of authority, etc) or mental or physical incapacitation/incapacitated state to get sex, and that's it. You'd still have some arguments about what constitutes incapacitation, but it'd clear a whole lot of things up.
 

fanaskin

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The latin root for rape and it's usage throughout history always associates violence with rape, not regret or really even consent, to sieze or take by force. This idea of nurape is why everyones confused all the time and why the courts are completely incapable of handling cases based on nurape definitions when it comes down to he said / she said.

Online Etymology Dictionary
 

Cad

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These people make a mockery of the victims of actual rape.

Rape should be defined as: Using force/violence, threat of force/violence, threat of drastic social repercussions (loss of job, blackmail, abuse of authority, etc) or mental or physical incapacitation/incapacitated state to get sex, and that's it. You'd still have some arguments about what constitutes incapacitation, but it'd clear a whole lot of things up.
There's a few more things, but this is basically it.

SEXUAL ASSAULT. (a) A person commits an offense if the person:

intentionally or knowingly: [causes penetration of anus/vag/mouth of another]

A sexual assault under Subsection (a)(1) is without the consent of the other person if:

(1) the actor compels the other person to submit or participate by the use of physical force or violence;
(2) the actor compels the other person to submit or participate by threatening to use force or violence against the other person, and the other person believes that the actor has the present ability to execute the threat;
(3) the other person has not consented and the actor knows the other person is unconscious or physically unable to resist;
(4) the actor knows that as a result of mental disease or defect the other person is at the time of the sexual assault incapable either of appraising the nature of the act or of resisting it;
(5) the other person has not consented and the actor knows the other person is unaware that the sexual assault is occurring;
(6) the actor has intentionally impaired the other person's power to appraise or control the other person's conduct by administering any substance without the other person's knowledge;
(7) the actor compels the other person to submit or participate by threatening to use force or violence against any person, and the other person believes that the actor has the ability to execute the threat;
(8) the actor is a public servant who coerces the other person to submit or participate;
(9) the actor is a mental health services provider or a health care services provider who causes the other person, who is a patient or former patient of the actor, to submit or participate by exploiting the other person's emotional dependency on the actor;
(10) the actor is a clergyman who causes the other person to submit or participate by exploiting the other person's emotional dependency on the clergyman in the clergyman's professional character as spiritual adviser; or
(11) the actor is an employee of a facility where the other person is a resident, unless the employee and resident are formally or informally married to each other under Chapter 2, Family Code.
 

Lejina

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You know what, maybe we should figure something out first.

Tanoomba, do you believe stare rape is a thing?