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Pyksel

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It is amazing how soon people forget and hop the hype train.

I had to scroll back as to how I even read that in the first place. And it isn't sarcasm.

This game, Mark Jacobs, and anyone that supports it, should kick themselves in the nuts. Because that is what it is going to feel like in a year and a half anyway once this ridiculous grassroots dies down.

Mark Jacob's TAUGHT Matt Firor everything he knows. Remember that.
I think you're being hailed over in the 38 studios forum.
 

Grim1

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It is amazing how soon people forget and hop the hype train.

I had to scroll back as to how I even read that in the first place. And it isn't sarcasm.

This game, Mark Jacobs, and anyone that supports it, should kick themselves in the nuts. Because that is what it is going to feel like in a year and a half anyway once this ridiculous grassroots dies down.

Mark Jacob's TAUGHT Matt Firor everything he knows. Remember that.
Well if somebody else were offering even a hint of what MJ is promising then you might get your wish. But as it is, the PvP RvR crowd is desperate, so they will back just about anyone who promises what they want to hear.... Hope always sells. That's why you hear it every election.
 

Utnayan

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/\/\/\ Ok understood. I just hope people keep it in perspective. Remember, you are dealing with Mark Jacobs. /Facepalm.

I think you're being hailed over in the 38 studios forum.
I have a hard time seeing how this is being supported by the community here at Rerolled.org with all the experience and knowledge of how the inner workings of these folks work, yet TESO is on the chopping block on a continual basis.

Comparing Mark Jacobs to Matt Firor would be like comparing Batman to Robin.

My question is, where did the knowledge of this go? I know you know it, I know Draegen knows it, I know about 90% of the folks here have a firm understanding of Mark Jacobs and how he operates. So I hope to God there is no faith in whatever hot air comes out of his mouth next. Is it from the fandom of Andrew? (Geniuinely curious)

Edit: Grim1 answered.
 

Draegan_sl

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Honestly it's exactly what Grim said. You have a core group of people who want a PVP game, and they get so gungho about promises that they really ignore everything else for better or worse.
 

Pyksel

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Honestly it's exactly what Grim said. You have a core group of people who want a PVP game, and they get so gungho about promises that they really ignore everything else for better or worse.
Good lord if we listened to even a fraction of the hateful naysayers here we'd no longer be gamers or have anything to play whatsoever. We'd be curmudgeon old men sitting on our porch shouting at the neighbor kids to stay off our lawn.
 

Utnayan

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Good lord if we listened to even a fraction of the hateful naysayers here we'd no longer be gamers or have anything to play whatsoever. We'd be curmudgeon old men sitting on our porch shouting at the neighbor kids to stay off our lawn.
If may help if customers weren't being abused via kickstarter.

I get what you are saying. It's either over the top, or under the mountain. But none of this holds relic designers accountable to learn from their actions to actually deliver the next time. And using Kickstarter to boot.

I heard a rumor (Source was fairly reliable in the past - Ex Mythic guy) about Mark Jacobs already having a publisher of whom sent him out ahead of time to garner additional funding to lesson the strain on said publisher.
 

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Yup. Bottom line is there isn't another game out there that remotely approaches my interests. If someone wants to tell me to be cautious about getting my hopes up, fine. I would much rather be offered a glimmer of hope in a game that suits me. Instead, like the idiot I am, I spend the 60 bucks on every game released that has any modicum of pvp in it in the hope that I'll be given something that might stick.

Yes, I am the guy that you refer to when you bash people who allow bad game designers to keep releasing shitty shit. What the fuck else do you want me to do? Not gaming is not an option for me.
 

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If may help if customers weren't being abused via kickstarter.

I get what you are saying. It's either over the top, or under the mountain. But none of this holds relic designers accountable to learn from their actions to actually deliver the next time. And using Kickstarter to boot.

I heard a rumor (Source was fairly reliable in the passed - Ex Mythic guy) about Mark Jacobs already having a publisher of whom sent him out ahead of time to garner additional funding to lesson the strain on said publisher.
I agree that this doesn't hold relic designers accountable to learn from their actions but I have to believe that by using Kickstarter and exposing this much visibility into the project it puts Mark in a serious position to sink or swim. My hope is that he will swim andCamelotUnchainedwill be a success.

I would be interested to hear more about this rumor if possible because it was my understanding that the use of Kickstarter was to allow Mark the creative freedom he was searching for to do the project. If he does have a publisher I wonder who it is? =)
 

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Well if somebody else were offering even a hint of what MJ is promising then you might get your wish. But as it is, the PvP RvR crowd is desperate, so they will back just about anyone who promises what they want to hear.... Hope always sells. That's why you hear it every election.
Mark is offering you nothing but a target to project your fantasies onto. The fact that this amazingly transparent ploy works so well on you (and many other people) is telling and partially responsible for the state of the industry. In the entire hour long interview (yes I listened to it) the only non-vaguery I heard was that he wants hotbars full of buttons for you to play whack-a-mole with... he really has no idea what he is doing.
 

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Mark is offering you nothing but a target to project your fantasies onto. The fact that this amazingly transparent ploy works so well on you (and many other people) is telling and partially responsible for the state of the industry. In the entire hour long interview (yes I listened to it) the only non-vaguery I heard was that he wants hotbars full of buttons for you to play whack-a-mole with... he really has no idea what he is doing.
Point noted, thanks for the warning.
 

Grim1

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Mark is offering you nothing but a target to project your fantasies onto. The fact that this amazingly transparent ploy works so well on you (and many other people) is telling and partially responsible for the state of the industry. In the entire hour long interview (yes I listened to it) the only non-vaguery I heard was that he wants hotbars full of buttons for you to play whack-a-mole with... he really has no idea what he is doing.
Lol, you are repeating my own words and then claiming I am victim to them. Nice try. But all that is apparent from your post is that you really, really hate Mark Jacobs.
 

Tmac

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That makes absolutely no sense.
It makes total sense. There's a definitive bell-curve when considering new technology coupled with human psychology. Kickstarter is no different, it's simply a microcosm of the same behavior.

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Draegan_sl said:
Getting investors in the beginning and end make sense. I just don't understand the thinking of being "smart enough to hold off".
Oh... Well, in this case I think he just used the word smart to reinforce his natural tendency. I'm kind of the same way. I've been holding out because I'm still not sure how I feel about the whole thing. The Kickstarter not getting funded was a definite barrier to entry, so now that that's gone, I'm very likely to donate in the next few hours.
 

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Mark is offering you nothing but a target to project your fantasies onto. ... he really has no idea what he is doing.
The first sentence is true about any Kickstarter project. The last sentence is merely a personal attack and again makes me curious about your personal beef with Mr.Jacobs. It's a slow work day, break out the stories!

I personally like what the guy is selling, and hope the game is what he envisions, although I have no illusions.

Ut, what do you know about the tech folks around him? They seem competent from my limited 10,000 foot view of the project which is being shown. I doubt the game will be anything spectacular but it really shouldn't be that difficult to replicate DAOCs success and fun, with the even more limited goals he is aiming at today.

His approach is the exact opposite of .38S at least.
 

Tmac

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Mark is offering you nothing but a target to project your fantasies onto. The fact that this amazingly transparent ploy works so well on you (and many other people) is telling and partially responsible for the state of the industry. In the entire hour long interview (yes I listened to it) the only non-vaguery I heard was that he wants hotbars full of buttons for you to play whack-a-mole with... he really has no idea what he is doing.
Time to re-foil your hat.

If people want to spend their money supporting the development of a game, so be it. With the backing of 10,000 people, having this game fail will possibly be Marc Jacob's gravestone. Then you can go kill the fatted calf.

If the game succeeds, then everyone wins...except you of course.

But, let's get real here, it's too early to tell.
 

Pyksel

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Time to re-foil your hat.

If people want to spend their money supporting the development of a game, so be it. With the backing of 10,000 people, having a game fail will hopefully be the gravestone these "relic developers" you hate so hard need.

If the game succeeds, then everyone wins.

But, let's get real here, it's too early to tell.
I think Denaut's point here is that for him (and others) it's not too early to tell. Based on Mark's reputation and the reputation of the genre, this is pretty much guaranteed to fail. I can say that historically speaking and statistically speaking he's probably right but I still remain hopeful because everything that's been billed thus far is an attempt to try something that sounds truly different in the space.
 

Denaut

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The first sentence is true about any Kickstarter project. The last sentence is merely a personal attack and again makes me curious about your personal beef with Mr.Jacobs. It's a slow work day, break out the stories!
I've posted SEVERAL times in this thread that I have never worked with the guy and had no opinion of him until this project was revealed and I tried to read some of his terrible blog posts.

I personally like what the guy is selling, and hope the game is what he envisions, although I have no illusions.
That's my point, he isn't selling anything but the ability for you to construct a dream game in your head and pretend that is what is going to be made.
 

Tmac

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I think Denaut's point here is that for him (and others) it's not too early to tell. Based on Mark's reputation and the reputation of the genre, this is pretty much guaranteed to fail. I can say that historically speaking and statistically speaking he's probably right but I still remain hopeful because everything that's been billed thus far is an attempt to try something that sounds truly different in the space.
I know what his point was, I just disagree.

There are far too many different scenario's being played out here to truly foresee it's success or failure. The fact that Jacob's is opening the kimono so early, should be encouraging. What MMO has EVER done that in the past?

Most developers try to hype a game that's already dead before it releases, ala WAR, SWG, Copernicus... This time their studio is operating out of a much smaller space with much more creative freedom.

And yes, I know Marc was a part of the WAR fiasco, but Jeff was a hired gun who did his job too well, foresaking honesty for hype. I see this story playing out differently.

I'm not soapboxing a success for this game, but I'm definitely not going to hop on the doom-n-gloom bandwagon simply because Jacob's is involved. He did make DAoC afterall.
 

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I've posted SEVERAL times in this thread that I have never worked with the guy and had no opinion of him until this project was revealed and I tried to read some of his terrible blog posts.



That's my point, he isn't selling anything but the ability for you to construct a dream game in your head and pretend that is what is going to be made.
How dreams aremade.
 

Tmac

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That's my point, he isn't selling anything but the ability for you to construct a dream game in your head and pretend that is what is going to be made.
lol. Dude, you're makingCamelotUnchainedsound like a conspiracy. Which, just makes you look like a reincarnation of Ut.
 

Denaut

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I think Denaut's point here is that for him (and others) it's not too early to tell. Based on Mark's reputation and the reputation of the genre, this is pretty much guaranteed to fail. I can say that historically speaking and statistically speaking he's probably right but I still remain hopeful because everything that's been billed thus far is an attempt to try something that sounds truly different in the space.
This is a good way of putting it. I would say though that I am not basing my opinion on his reputation specifically, but on my knowledge of the genre combined with what his own words reveal about the way his mind works. Ut is the reputation expert, I tend to focus more on design substance.

I just guess we see totally different things, because what he is going for doesn't sound different to me at all. To me it sounds like he wants tab targeted hotbar combat in a game where people roam around wasting time looking for a fight. I've played tons of games like that, and most of them had PvE too.