Camelot Unchained MMO

Denaut · May 1, 2013

Tmac47_sl said:
lol. Dude, you're makingCamelotUnchainedsound like a conspiracy. Which, just makes you look like a reincarnation of Ut.

Not a conspiracy, just snake oil.

Draegan_sl · May 1, 2013

Denaut_sl said:
That's my point, he isn't selling anything but the ability for you to construct a dream game in your head and pretend that is what is going to be made.

That's a pretty astute observation. I mean very astute. I failed at trying to come up with this statement, but it's exactly what I was thinking.

Draegan_sl · May 1, 2013

Tmac47_sl said:
lol. Dude, you're makingCamelotUnchainedsound like a conspiracy. Which, just makes you look like a reincarnation of Ut.

It's not a conspiracy, it's just a very good marketing scheme for a niche gaming audience. He essentially took all the old school players, wrote down all their hopes and dreams in some blog posts, then made a shit load of videos and interviews where he didn't turn down one idea. He's basically said yes to everyone's idea.

Denaut · May 1, 2013

Tmac47_sl said:
I know what his point was, I just disagree.

There are far too many different scenario's being played out here to truly foresee it's success or failure. The fact that Jacob's is opening the kimono so early, should be encouraging. What MMO has EVER done that in the past?

Most developers try to hype a game that's already dead before it releases, ala WAR, SWG, Copernicus... This time their studio is operating out of a much smaller space with much more creative freedom.

And yes, I know Marc was a part of the WAR fiasco, but Jeff was a hired gun who did his job too well, foresaking honesty for hype. I see this story playing out differently.

I'm not soapboxing a success for this game, but I'm definitely not going to hop on the doom-n-gloom bandwagon simply because Jacob's is involved. He did make DAoC afterall.

I don't care what he was involved in. Based on his words alone, he is completely inept as a designer.

Grim1 · May 1, 2013

30k to go. Had over 100k pledged in the last few hours. Should meet it's goal in the next hour or so.

Now onto the next big test, they need real money. Even if Mark puts in the 3 mil he promised, they still need a lot more than that to make the game.

Going to be fun to watch this train.

Grim1 · May 1, 2013

Draegan_sl said:
That's a pretty astute observation. I mean very astute. I failed at trying to come up with this statement, but it's exactly what I was thinking.

But it's also true of almost every kickstarter, election campaign and lottery. People are paying (or voting) for their own hopeful projections. Denaut's statement is just an obvious truth about human nature that most children are aware of.

On this board every mmo that comes out some people are buying into the hype. The latest hype machine is WildStar, everyone seems to have bought into it. Before it was SWTOR, and before that... every mmo in existance.

Utnayan · May 1, 2013

Tmac47_sl said:
lol. Dude, you're makingCamelotUnchainedsound like a conspiracy. Which, just makes you look like a reincarnation of Ut.

He is an MMORPG developer. For what it's worth. And has a lot of knowledge about the inner workings of the industry.

Tmac · May 1, 2013

Utnayan_sl said:
He is an MMORPG developer. For what it's worth. And has a lot of knowledge about the inner workings of the industry.

In that case I retract the tail-end of that statement

I didn't know. Thanks for the heads up.

Grim1 · May 1, 2013

Utnayan_sl said:
He is an MMORPG developer. For what it's worth. And has a lot of knowledge about the inner workings of the industry.

No he's a dev doing other things, not mmos. I worked in the industry for a time back in the 90's, doesn't make me an expert.

Caal · May 1, 2013

Grim1_sl said:
But it's also true of almost every kickstarter, election campaign and lottery. People are paying (or voting) for their own projections. Denaut's statement is just an obvious truth about human nature that most children are aware of.

Never mind the part where I don't care whether or not it all ends up going from paper to print. As you say, this shit happens in all walks of life. The real point is, how often in the gaming industry have I salivated over what was actually on that piece of paper?

Utnayan · May 1, 2013

Grim1_sl said:
No he's a dev doing other things, not mmos. I worked in the industry for a time back in the 90's, doesn't make me an expert.

Whoops! Got my PM's confused there sorry. The MMO dev I was thinking of posts here but I got those two mixed up.

Tmac · May 1, 2013

Caal_sl said:
Never mind the part where I don't care whether or not it all ends up going from paper to print. As you say, this shit happens in all walks of life. The real point is, how often in the gaming industry have I salivated over what was actually on that piece of paper?

I'm in a similar camp with Caal. I'm not fan-boyingCamelotUnchained, but it sounds like a good niche game.

Does no one else agree that it's a nice change to see how open they're being with their proof-of-concept materials? Obviously they have to show something to kickstarter investors, but it's definitely a nice change.

Denaut · May 1, 2013

Well, I am

I worked on Vanguard and 2 other AAA MMORPGs, 3 including expansions as well as live teams. I don't work on AAA MMORPGs anymore, but I still work on multiplayer focused online games. So 8 years total.

Tmac · May 1, 2013

Draegan_sl said:
It's not a conspiracy, it's just a very good marketing scheme for a niche gaming audience. He essentially took all the old school players, wrote down all their hopes and dreams in some blog posts, then made a shit load of videos and interviews where he didn't turn down one idea. He's basically said yes to everyone's idea.

I only read one or two of his blogs and I watched a handful of the proof-of-concept videos on Kickstarter.

I didn't get the "yes man" vibe from him, but I'll assume you're following this much more closely than I am. Can you elaborate?

Grim1 · May 1, 2013

http://www.twitch.tv/citystategames

Draegan_sl · May 1, 2013

Grim1_sl said:
But it's also true of almost every kickstarter, election campaign and lottery. People are paying (or voting) for their own hopeful projections. Denaut's statement is just an obvious truth about human nature that most children are aware of.

On this board every mmo that comes out some people are buying into the hype. The latest hype machine is WildStar, everyone seems to have bought into it. Before it was SWTOR, and before that... every mmo in existance.

While true in a general sense, you're comparing totally different levels of expectations.

There is a huge difference between putting your hope and faith into a game backed by Bioware/NCSoft which are fully funded by major game developers/studios with a track record of putting out games (good or bad) and a game that needs a $2M kickstarter just to get off the ground.

Grim1 · May 1, 2013

I agree with that. But SWTOR's fall should make us wary of EVERY mmo coming out (most of us are). They had even more going for them than WildStar.

Utnayan · May 1, 2013

Denaut_sl said:
Well, I am

I worked on Vanguard and 2 other AAA MMORPGs, 3 including expansions as well as live teams. I don't work on AAA MMORPGs anymore, but I still work on multiplayer focused online games. So 8 years total.

Did you change usernames? I may have two people I know with the same resume then.

Grim1 · May 1, 2013

Funded

100 mil to go

Draegan_sl · May 1, 2013

Tmac47_sl said:
I only read one or two of his blogs and I watched a handful of the proof-of-concept videos on Kickstarter.

I didn't get the "yes man" vibe from him, but I'll assume you're following this much more closely than I am. Can you elaborate?

Oh it's not a yes man thing. He just asks fans/players what they like in their perfect game and says yes or maybe to almost all of them as long as they are part of the oldschool/hardcore culture of MMORPGs.

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