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If you can get a 3080 FE at MSRP it's close, because you can easily shave 70W off the TDP of a 3080.

But yeah, in general, those two cards are by far the best. I've been trying to get a 6800XT at MSRP for a while.

Also, this case is pretty fucking cool. It's certainly not the smallest mini ITX case, it's actually quite big, as it fits a full-size air cooler. You can put fans in the bottom to pump air directly into the GPU, or just let the GPU suck air in from the open vents on the bottom.

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I plan to do a full torrent build one of these days - The problem with overkill builds is they are overkill and so is the price!
 
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Anyone know of a good guide for computer building, or just youtube individual steps? Never pasted a CPU myself for example. Though I'm mostly nervous about getting lost in the mess of cables on my cpu, though I think with less stuff it will be simpler this time around with just 1SSD for now, + mobo/gpu.
 
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Anyone know of a good guide for computer building, or just youtube individual steps? Never pasted a CPU myself for example. Though I'm mostly nervous about getting lost in the mess of cables on my cpu, though I think with less stuff it will be simpler this time around with just 1SSD for now, + mobo/gpu.
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this looks good enough
 
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Well build day went slow but decent. Until i realized the z690 plus d4 i bought was an m.....

Gpu doesn't clear the cooler by like 2mm or something stupid. Think my last computer was mini atx as well since the size didn't jump out at me sooner.

Id gotten the mobo at the only microcenter an hour away even i grabbed my cpu and trying to avoid newegg. Pretty much the only z690 they had period. Being a noob i thought that chipset were all atx, and remembered the plus d4 from a gamer nexus vid. Thought they'd had more different names than just the M. At the store id looked at the box and no where on it does it actually say what footprint it was....


So i could rotate d15 and only run one fan. Kill the air advantage of the case and go buy a 360 aio. Can't fit a 420 and in the torrent you can't to mount radiator.

So settled on making the drive to b test out the 15 day return window. Hopefully they have some more mobos on hand then last time or I'll also get to ship and pay expedited shipping online.
 
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Can't fit a 420 and in the torrent you can't to mount radiator.
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It's possible, but it's quite fiddly. It doesn't fit by a few millimeters, so you either have to shorten or flatten the bottom fan tray a bit. Example from someone else:


You should put the water ports on the radiator on the bottom, though.
 
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Neranja said:
It's possible, but it's quite fiddly. It doesn't fit by a few millimeters, so you either have to shorten or flatten the bottom fan tray a bit. Example from someone else:


You should put the water ports on the radiator on the bottom, though.
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Id seen those, but I already am noob to this, getting creative shaving and butchering it into place just makes me leary.
 
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Any good deals on desktop gaming rigs? I havent bought one in 10 years.

I want to play Elden Ring without spending $2200 on some AlienWare space rig with 300 neon lights

I dont want to spend more than ~$700ish

I will also probably want to play CP2077 at some point this year.
 
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Any good deals on desktop gaming rigs? I havent bought one in 10 years.

I want to play Elden Ring without spending $2200 on some AlienWare space rig with 300 neon lights

I dont want to spend more than ~$700ish

I will also probably want to play CP2077 at some point this year.
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700 dollars will get you a PC without a GPU.

Oh, wait:

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Update: IGN's now had the chance to test Elden Ring on Steam Deck, and confirmed that the game runs well, albeit with frame rate dips.
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Cmon thats not true.

This is $730 . Seems like it exceeds the recommend specs for Elden ring considerably. Just need to add another stick of RAM

HP Pavilion Gaming Desktop, 10th Generation Intel Core i5-10400F Processor, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 Graphics, 8 GM RAM, 256 GB SSD, Windows 11 Home (TG01-1120, Shadow Black)​


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This is $750 with a promo code

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I would see if you can find a similar deal with he latest 12 gen 12600 cpu. even if you have to pay $100 more its still worth IMO.
 
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This is $750 with a promo code

Processor
10th Generation Intel® Core™ i7-10700 (16 MB cache, 8 cores, 16 threads, 2.90 GHz to 4.80 GHz Turbo)

Operating System
Windows 11 Home, English

Graphics Cardi
NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 1650 SUPER™, 4 GB GDDR6

Hard Drive
512 GB, M.2, PCIe NVMe, SSD

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12 GB, 1 x 8 GB + 1 x 4 GB, DDR4, 2933 MHz

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Intel® Wi-Fi 6 2x2 (Gig+) and Bluetooth

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That's also built.out of shit and a 7 year old gpu. Wierd mismatch garbage ram.

Hell one i finish my new build, i could sell you my old rig thatd be double better.
 
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It's possible, but it's quite fiddly. It doesn't fit by a few millimeters, so you either have to shorten or flatten the bottom fan tray a bit. Example from someone else:


You should put the water ports on the radiator on the bottom, though.
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Torrent is really an air-cooled case - doesn't seem like the best design for a radiator/aio, let alone two.
 
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Torrent is really an air-cooled case - doesn't seem like the best design for a radiator/aio, let alone two.
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We already had that discussion in the graphics card thread where someone had an aneurysm because of "muh airflow."

At the end of the day no one cares: the manual for the case tells you where radiators fit, and even has a fill port.

 
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We already had that discussion in the graphics card thread where someone had an aneurysm because of "muh airflow."

At the end of the day no one cares: the manual for the case tells you where radiators fit, and even has a fill port.

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Yes, it fits radiators. I'm sure it's fine. We (the collective enthusiast community) obsess too much over cooling, I admit. I have a system in a Fractal Define 7 XL that has a door blocking the majority of the front intakes. Certainly sub-optimal.

But when I look at the pic posted, I see both the bottom rad and front AIO rad are likely intakes, meaning that the only air inside the case is heated exhaust. The CPU and GPU core are cooled well to be sure, but things like GPU memory/backplate, VRMs, chipset, add-in cards only have that warmed exhaust air for cooling. Many internals (like VRMs on good boards) will still be fine even if they run on the warmer side, but there are certain things (like the HBA I run, or a 10G/25G/100G network add-in card) might have issues. 3090s have had issue with backside memory cooling to the point of throttling, for example.
 
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Yes, it fits radiators. I'm sure it's fine. We (the collective enthusiast community) obsess too much over cooling, I admit. I have a system in a Fractal Define 7 XL that has a door blocking the majority of the front intakes. Certainly sub-optimal.

But when I look at the pic posted, I see both the bottom rad and front AIO rad are likely intakes, meaning that the only air inside the case is heated exhaust. The CPU and GPU core are cooled well to be sure, but things like GPU memory/backplate, VRMs, chipset, add-in cards only have that warmed exhaust air for cooling. Many internals (like VRMs on good boards) will still be fine even if they run on the warmer side, but there are certain things (like the HBA I run, or a 10G/25G/100G network add-in card) might have issues. 3090s have had issue with backside memory cooling to the point of throttling, for example.
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This is another reason Im liking the radiators with the AIO because they keep the hot air from being inside the case as with the air coolers of previous generations. If you have them pointed correct direction. I used to swear by the air cooled shit like the evo212 for years on my builds.

This prebuilt I bought last year in spring really shows just how much hot air the AIO expels out out the case plus cooling the proc. Its like a fucking heater when im gaming. Granted today's chips seem to run a lot hotter than the previous generations Intels I had. On my sons 3700x build you can literally feel his room being hotter when hes gaming for an extended period. At times I walk in there and its like a fucking sauna. I game in a large room, prob 12x20 ft so impact is minimal on ambient but still....
 
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Removing the front fans on a torrent should be ground for execution.
 
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But when I look at the pic posted, I see both the bottom rad and front AIO rad are likely intakes, meaning that the only air inside the case is heated exhaust.
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This is not how water cooling works. Water takes 10 times the energy copper takes to heat up one degree. However, the cooling side goes from water, to the metal in the radiator, then to the air pumped through. This transfer does not suddenly make the air flowing through the radiator the temperature of the water. In fact, the downside to water cooling is that hot water inside the loop takes a longer time to cool down than air cooling systems.

Surprisingly, VRMs even have problems with pure air cooling setups like Noctua tower coolers, because the air flow is horizontal, and in most boards the RAM is placed vertically in front of the CPU socket (blocking airflow), while the VRM is above it. Sometimes you even have plastic shrouds blocking airflow. The basic premise in board design seems to be stock downdraft coolers. This is not a new problem:



Good thing the Arctic Freezer AIOs have a small fan for the VRM modules. Which, surprisingly, does not a whole lot:

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